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you're not a bot without overly 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.389 align:start position:0% that you're not a bot without overly disclosing<00:27:03.039> anything<00:27:03.360> about<00:27:03.640> yourself<00:27:04.240> that 00:27:04.389 --> 00:27:04.399 align:start position:0% disclosing anything about yourself that 00:27:04.399 --> 00:27:08.110 align:start position:0% disclosing anything about yourself that becomes<00:27:04.799> very<00:27:05.080> important<00:27:06.080> um<00:27:06.399> and<00:27:06.520> so<00:27:07.200> uh<00:27:07.399> just 00:27:08.110 --> 00:27:08.120 align:start position:0% becomes very important um and so uh just 00:27:08.120 --> 00:27:10.389 align:start position:0% becomes very important um and so uh just um<00:27:08.440> I<00:27:08.520> think<00:27:08.679> a<00:27:08.799> couple<00:27:09.080> days<00:27:09.279> ago<00:27:09.559> Finland<00:27:10.279> uh 00:27:10.389 --> 00:27:10.399 align:start position:0% um I think a couple days ago Finland uh 00:27:10.399 --> 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without uh making it into a surveillance 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.389 align:start position:0% without uh making it into a surveillance of<00:28:04.600> capitalism<00:28:05.480> space<00:28:06.279> so<00:28:06.559> I<00:28:06.679> I'm<00:28:06.799> not<00:28:07.080> exactly 00:28:07.389 --> 00:28:07.399 align:start position:0% of capitalism space so I I'm not exactly 00:28:07.399 --> 00:28:09.470 align:start position:0% of capitalism space so I I'm not exactly sure<00:28:07.679> that<00:28:08.200> to<00:28:08.440> completely<00:28:08.880> address<00:28:09.240> your 00:28:09.470 --> 00:28:09.480 align:start position:0% sure that to completely address your 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.710 align:start position:0% sure that to completely address your question<00:28:10.039> but<00:28:10.200> that<00:28:10.360> is<00:28:10.640> like<00:28:10.799> the<00:28:10.960> number<00:28:11.240> one 00:28:11.710 --> 00:28:11.720 align:start position:0% question but that is like the number one 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.509 align:start position:0% question but that is like the number one uh<00:28:11.840> issue<00:28:12.120> we<00:28:12.279> face<00:28:12.559> when<00:28:12.679> we<00:28:12.840> deploy<00:28:13.240> that<00:28:13.399> in 00:28:13.509 --> 00:28:13.519 align:start position:0% uh issue we face when we deploy that in 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.909 align:start position:0% uh issue we face when we deploy that in the<00:28:13.640> real 00:28:14.909 --> 00:28:14.919 align:start position:0% the real 00:28:14.919 --> 00:28:17.470 align:start position:0% the real world<00:28:15.919> any<00:28:16.120> other 00:28:17.470 --> 00:28:17.480 align:start position:0% world any other 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:21.389 align:start position:0% world any other questions<00:28:18.519> uh<00:28:19.519> yes<00:28:19.760> one<00:28:19.919> more<00:28:20.200> question<00:28:20.840> okay 00:28:21.389 --> 00:28:21.399 align:start position:0% questions uh yes one more question okay 00:28:21.399 --> 00:28:24.430 align:start position:0% questions uh yes one more question okay hello<00:28:22.039> um<00:28:22.600> and<00:28:22.840> thank<00:28:23.039> you<00:28:23.360> for<00:28:23.760> for<00:28:23.919> your<00:28:24.120> talk 00:28:24.430 --> 00:28:24.440 align:start position:0% hello um and thank you for for your talk 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:27.269 align:start position:0% hello um and thank you for for your talk it's<00:28:24.640> inspirational<00:28:25.399> quite<00:28:26.399> um<00:28:26.760> if<00:28:26.880> I<00:28:26.960> can<00:28:27.120> put 00:28:27.269 --> 00:28:27.279 align:start position:0% it's inspirational quite um if I can put 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.710 align:start position:0% it's inspirational quite um if I can put this<00:28:27.480> question<00:28:27.799> together<00:28:28.279> I'd<00:28:28.559> ask<00:28:29.399> uh<00:28:29.559> what's 00:28:29.710 --> 00:28:29.720 align:start position:0% this question together I'd ask uh what's 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.310 align:start position:0% this question together I'd ask uh what's the<00:28:29.840> biggest<00:28:30.120> threat<00:28:30.360> from<00:28:30.559> State<00:28:30.960> actors<00:28:31.960> um 00:28:32.310 --> 00:28:32.320 align:start position:0% the biggest threat from State actors um 00:28:32.320 --> 00:28:34.509 align:start position:0% the biggest threat from State actors um against<00:28:32.840> radical<00:28:33.279> change<00:28:33.840> and<00:28:34.200> Civic 00:28:34.509 --> 00:28:34.519 align:start position:0% against radical change and Civic 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:36.509 align:start position:0% against radical change and Civic movement<00:28:35.039> like<00:28:35.279> what<00:28:35.399> do<00:28:35.519> you<00:28:35.720> think<00:28:36.240> we<00:28:36.360> can 00:28:36.509 --> 00:28:36.519 align:start position:0% movement like what do you think we can 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.269 align:start position:0% movement like what do you think we can do<00:28:36.960> about<00:28:37.640> 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