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and whatever but then you're like oh but like<00:12:06.680> you<00:12:06.800> know<00:12:07.320> what<00:12:07.480> if<00:12:07.639> that<00:12:07.800> just<00:12:07.920> leads 00:12:08.389 --> 00:12:08.399 align:start position:0% like you know what if that just leads 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:09.790 align:start position:0% like you know what if that just leads like<00:12:08.680> the<00:12:08.800> majority<00:12:09.160> of<00:12:09.320> white<00:12:09.480> people<00:12:09.639> to 00:12:09.790 --> 00:12:09.800 align:start position:0% like the majority of white people to 00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:11.190 align:start position:0% like the majority of white people to totally<00:12:10.079> screw<00:12:10.360> over<00:12:10.560> black<00:12:10.760> people<00:12:10.959> in<00:12:11.079> the 00:12:11.190 --> 00:12:11.200 align:start position:0% totally screw over black people in the 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.030 align:start position:0% totally screw over black people in the US<00:12:11.519> 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police is a very simple tool but 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:37.990 align:start position:0% um so police is a very simple tool but uh<00:18:36.480> before<00:18:36.679> I<00:18:36.799> give<00:18:37.000> this<00:18:37.200> explanation<00:18:37.720> I<00:18:37.799> know 00:18:37.990 --> 00:18:38.000 align:start position:0% uh before I give this explanation I know 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.630 align:start position:0% uh before I give this explanation I know that<00:18:38.200> our<00:18:38.440> Wi-Fi<00:18:38.799> is<00:18:38.919> not<00:18:39.080> so<00:18:39.320> great<00:18:40.039> so<00:18:40.320> I'll 00:18:40.630 --> 00:18:40.640 align:start position:0% that our Wi-Fi is not so great so I'll 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:43.950 align:start position:0% that our Wi-Fi is not so great so I'll I'll<00:18:41.080> skip<00:18:41.480> ahead<00:18:42.440> and<00:18:42.760> ask<00:18:43.039> you<00:18:43.240> to<00:18:43.679> point 00:18:43.950 --> 00:18:43.960 align:start position:0% I'll skip ahead and ask you to point 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.270 align:start position:0% I'll skip ahead and ask you to point your<00:18:44.120> phones<00:18:44.520> to<00:18:44.760> this<00:18:45.039> QR<00:18:45.480> code<00:18:45.799> so<00:18:46.039> that<00:18:47.000> in<00:18:47.159> a 00:18:47.270 --> 00:18:47.280 align:start position:0% your phones to this QR code so that in a 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:48.950 align:start position:0% your phones to this QR code so that in a few<00:18:47.520> minutes<00:18:47.840> from<00:18:48.080> now<00:18:48.280> you<00:18:48.400> will<00:18:48.600> all<00:18:48.840> have 00:18:48.950 --> 00:18:48.960 align:start position:0% few minutes from now you will all have 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.390 align:start position:0% few minutes from now you will all have it<00:18:49.080> on<00:18:49.240> your<00:18:49.400> phone<00:18:50.280> and<00:18:50.480> then<00:18:50.720> I'll<00:18:50.919> come<00:18:51.159> back 00:18:51.390 --> 00:18:51.400 align:start position:0% it on your phone and then I'll come back 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.669 align:start position:0% it on your phone and then I'll come back and<00:18:51.919> explain<00:18:52.360> it<00:18:53.280> well<00:18:53.480> as<00:18:53.840> they<00:18:54.000> say<00:18:54.159> in<00:18:54.400> Latin 00:18:54.669 --> 00:18:54.679 align:start position:0% and explain it well as they say in Latin 00:18:54.679 --> 00:18:57.310 align:start position:0% and explain it well as they say in Latin America<00:18:55.080> OHA 00:18:57.310 --> 00:18:57.320 align:start position:0% America OHA 00:18:57.320 --> 00:19:00.230 align:start position:0% America OHA God 00:19:00.230 --> 00:19:00.240 align:start position:0% God 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.070 align:start position:0% God okay<00:19:00.360> so<00:19:00.520> what<00:19:00.640> is<00:19:00.799> police<00:19:01.280> now<00:19:01.760> come<00:19:01.919> back 00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:02.080 align:start position:0% okay so what is police now come back 00:19:02.080 --> 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position:0% level um 94% of group of people in group b<00:32:43.399> agrees<00:32:43.880> with<00:32:44.120> that<00:32:45.240> um<00:32:46.240> and<00:32:46.399> they<00:32:46.600> disagree 00:32:47.149 --> 00:32:47.159 align:start position:0% b agrees with that um and they disagree 00:32:47.159 --> 00:32:49.470 align:start position:0% b agrees with that um and they disagree that<00:32:47.960> it<00:32:48.120> means<00:32:48.600> uh<00:32:48.720> neutrality<00:32:49.200> means 00:32:49.470 --> 00:32:49.480 align:start position:0% that it means uh neutrality means 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.269 align:start position:0% that it means uh neutrality means treating<00:32:49.919> every<00:32:50.120> unique<00:32:50.440> person<00:32:50.679> the<00:32:50.840> same<00:32:51.120> so 00:32:51.269 --> 00:32:51.279 align:start position:0% treating every unique person the same so 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.389 align:start position:0% treating every unique person the same so you<00:32:51.440> 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--> 00:32:59.480 align:start position:0% should distinguish humans and Bots 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.710 align:start position:0% should distinguish humans and Bots others<00:33:00.480> uh<00:33:00.919> should<00:33:01.320> not<00:33:01.840> I<00:33:02.000> guess<00:33:02.200> was<00:33:02.399> the 00:33:02.710 --> 00:33:02.720 align:start position:0% others uh should not I guess was the 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:06.029 align:start position:0% others uh should not I guess was the last<00:33:02.919> word<00:33:03.159> that<00:33:03.320> is<00:33:03.559> missing<00:33:04.559> um<00:33:05.000> 85%<00:33:05.720> of 00:33:06.029 --> 00:33:06.039 align:start position:0% last word that is missing um 85% of 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:08.509 align:start position:0% last word that is missing um 85% of people<00:33:06.279> in<00:33:06.440> groupy<00:33:06.799> agree<00:33:07.279> agrees<00:33:07.639> with<00:33:07.799> that 00:33:08.509 --> 00:33:08.519 align:start position:0% people in groupy agree agrees with that 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.590 align:start position:0% people in groupy agree agrees with that so 00:33:10.590 --> 00:33:10.600 align:start position:0% so 00:33:10.600 --> 00:33:15.750 align:start position:0% so now<00:33:11.639> majority<00:33:12.639> majority 00:33:15.750 --> 00:33:15.760 align:start position:0% 00:33:15.760 --> 00:33:19.149 align:start position:0% per<00:33:16.760> um<00:33:16.960> so<00:33:17.320> here<00:33:18.000> actually<00:33:18.360> majority<00:33:18.840> is<00:33:18.960> not 00:33:19.149 --> 00:33:19.159 align:start position:0% per um so here actually majority is not 00:33:19.159 --> 00:33:21.629 align:start position:0% per um so here actually majority is not a<00:33:19.360> good<00:33:19.559> word<00:33:20.200> because<00:33:20.919> uh<00:33:21.240> what<00:33:21.399> this<00:33:21.519> is 00:33:21.629 --> 00:33:21.639 align:start position:0% a good word because uh what this is 00:33:21.639 --> 00:33:24.549 align:start position:0% a good 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should 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.389 align:start position:0% distinguish humans and B some should others<00:34:12.440> not<00:34:13.040> should<00:34:13.280> not<00:34:14.280> uh<00:34:14.480> fascism<00:34:15.240> is 00:34:15.389 --> 00:34:15.399 align:start position:0% others not should not uh fascism is 00:34:15.399 --> 00:34:16.790 align:start position:0% others not should not uh fascism is needed<00:34:15.760> to<00:34:15.919> achieve 00:34:16.790 --> 00:34:16.800 align:start position:0% needed to achieve 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:21.310 align:start position:0% needed to achieve neutrality<00:34:17.919> um<00:34:18.919> yeah<00:34:20.000> uh<00:34:21.000> lots<00:34:21.200> of 00:34:21.310 --> 00:34:21.320 align:start position:0% neutrality um yeah uh lots of 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.790 align:start position:0% neutrality um yeah uh lots of disagreements<00:34:22.000> there<00:34:22.639> and<00:34:22.839> neutrality<00:34:23.560> is 00:34:23.790 --> 00:34:23.800 align:start position:0% disagreements there and neutrality is 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.030 align:start position:0% disagreements there and neutrality is different<00:34:24.159> from 00:34:25.030 --> 00:34:25.040 align:start position:0% different from 00:34:25.040 --> 00:34:29.310 align:start position:0% different from fairness<00:34:26.040> that's<00:34:26.200> an<00:34:26.359> important<00:34:26.639> point<00:34:27.240> so 00:34:29.310 --> 00:34:29.320 align:start position:0% fairness that's an important point so 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.109 align:start position:0% fairness that's an important point so uh<00:34:30.320> this<00:34:30.480> is<00:34:30.760> what's<00:34:31.000> interesting<00:34:31.480> about<00:34:31.800> this 00:34:32.109 --> 00:34:32.119 align:start position:0% uh this is what's interesting about this 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.869 align:start position:0% uh this is what's interesting about this is<00:34:32.320> that<00:34:33.320> despite<00:34:34.159> the 00:34:34.869 --> 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any any 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.430 align:start position:0% here and then also if anyone has any any comments<00:34:52.839> uh<00:34:53.200> we'll<00:34:53.440> hand<00:34:53.599> it<00:34:53.720> back<00:34:53.839> to 00:34:55.430 --> 00:34:55.440 align:start position:0% comments uh we'll hand it back to 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.470 align:start position:0% comments uh we'll hand it back to you<00:34:56.440> grou 00:34:58.470 --> 00:34:58.480 align:start position:0% you grou 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:06.910 align:start position:0% you grou I<00:34:59.480> just 00:35:06.910 --> 00:35:06.920 align:start position:0% 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:11.270 align:start position:0% gr<00:35:08.320> gra<00:35:09.320> okay<00:35:09.960> um 00:35:11.270 --> 00:35:11.280 align:start position:0% gr gra okay um 00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.950 align:start position:0% gr gra okay um so<00:35:12.280> this<00:35:12.440> group<00:35:13.000> has<00:35:13.280> statements<00:35:13.760> like 00:35:13.950 --> 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now group a 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.270 align:start position:0% tolerance and I I think like now group a like<00:37:31.520> the<00:37:31.640> neutrality<00:37:32.359> yes<00:37:32.599> was<00:37:33.000> like<00:37:34.280> close 00:37:35.270 --> 00:37:35.280 align:start position:0% like the neutrality yes was like close 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.950 align:start position:0% like the neutrality yes was like close or<00:37:35.640> embraced<00:37:36.160> as<00:37:36.440> as<00:37:36.560> a<00:37:36.720> tolerance<00:37:37.640> by<00:37:37.800> the 00:37:37.950 --> 00:37:37.960 align:start position:0% or embraced as as a tolerance by the 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.990 align:start position:0% or embraced as as a tolerance by the group<00:37:38.200> a<00:37:38.599> that's<00:37:39.319> that's<00:37:39.560> how<00:37:40.119> I<00:37:40.400> feel<00:37:40.839> it<00:37:41.839> like 00:37:41.990 --> 00:37:42.000 align:start position:0% group a that's that's how I feel it like 00:37:42.000 --> 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I guess um 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:04.030 align:start position:0% I would have been in group a I guess um and<00:38:01.800> I<00:38:02.000> I<00:38:02.079> think<00:38:02.240> I<00:38:02.359> would<00:38:02.599> say 00:38:04.030 --> 00:38:04.040 align:start position:0% and I I think I would say 00:38:04.040 --> 00:38:05.870 align:start position:0% and I I think I would say that 00:38:05.870 --> 00:38:05.880 align:start position:0% that 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.470 align:start position:0% that the<00:38:06.880> the<00:38:07.000> complexity<00:38:07.520> of<00:38:07.640> neutrality<00:38:08.160> kind<00:38:08.280> of 00:38:08.470 --> 00:38:08.480 align:start position:0% the the complexity of neutrality kind of 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:10.349 align:start position:0% the the complexity of neutrality kind of comes<00:38:08.680> out<00:38:08.960> if<00:38:09.079> you<00:38:09.400> look<00:38:09.560> at<00:38:09.680> it<00:38:09.800> as<00:38:09.920> a<00:38:10.119> very 00:38:10.349 --> 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align:start position:0% system and not necessarily looking at the<00:38:19.280> decisions<00:38:19.760> of<00:38:19.880> a<00:38:20.200> system<00:38:21.200> um<00:38:21.800> and<00:38:21.960> I<00:38:22.040> think 00:38:22.270 --> 00:38:22.280 align:start position:0% the decisions of a system um and I think 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.190 align:start position:0% the decisions of a system um and I think that<00:38:22.440> kind 00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:23.200 align:start position:0% that kind 00:38:23.200 --> 00:38:30.470 align:start position:0% that kind of<00:38:24.200> for<00:38:24.400> me<00:38:24.720> makes<00:38:25.119> makes<00:38:25.319> it<00:38:25.440> a<00:38:25.520> lot<00:38:25.680> simpler 00:38:30.470 --> 00:38:30.480 align:start position:0% 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.589 align:start position:0% hi<00:38:30.680> guys<00:38:30.839> my<00:38:30.960> name<00:38:31.079> is<00:38:31.640> fucho<00:38:32.640> I<00:38:32.760> think<00:38:33.160> I 00:38:33.589 --> 00:38:33.599 align:start position:0% hi guys my name is fucho I think I 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.829 align:start position:0% hi guys my name is fucho I think I associate<00:38:34.079> myself<00:38:34.359> with<00:38:34.560> groupy<00:38:34.960> more 00:38:35.829 --> 00:38:35.839 align:start position:0% associate myself with groupy more 00:38:35.839 --> 00:38:38.190 align:start position:0% associate myself with groupy more because<00:38:36.119> in<00:38:36.240> a<00:38:36.839> complex<00:38:37.240> system<00:38:37.560> it's<00:38:37.760> really 00:38:38.190 --> 00:38:38.200 align:start position:0% because in a complex system it's really 00:38:38.200 --> 00:38:41.030 align:start position:0% because in a complex system it's really difficult<00:38:38.400> to<00:38:39.119> evaluate<00:38:39.599> neutrality 00:38:41.030 --> 00:38:41.040 align:start position:0% difficult to evaluate neutrality 00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:44.710 align:start position:0% difficult to evaluate neutrality when<00:38:42.040> 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that 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.750 align:start position:0% accurate hey this is ham one thing that I'm<00:39:19.920> interested<00:39:20.480> to<00:39:20.920> understand<00:39:21.160> is<00:39:21.400> like<00:39:21.599> how 00:39:21.750 --> 00:39:21.760 align:start position:0% I'm interested to understand is like how 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.390 align:start position:0% I'm interested to understand is like how would<00:39:21.960> we<00:39:22.200> solve<00:39:22.880> the<00:39:23.200> like<00:39:23.480> when<00:39:23.920> like<00:39:24.079> each 00:39:24.390 --> 00:39:24.400 align:start position:0% would we solve the like when like each 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.950 align:start position:0% would we solve the like when like each all<00:39:24.680> countries<00:39:25.400> would<00:39:25.560> be<00:39:25.800> treated<00:39:26.119> the<00:39:26.240> same 00:39:26.950 --> 00:39:26.960 align:start position:0% all countries would be treated the same 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.870 align:start 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neutrality is and kind of just found 00:43:43.319 --> 00:43:48.109 align:start position:0% neutrality is and kind of just found myself<00:43:43.960> agreeing<00:43:44.319> with<00:43:44.480> all<00:43:44.599> of 00:43:48.109 --> 00:43:48.119 align:start position:0% 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:55.069 align:start position:0% them 00:43:55.069 --> 00:43:55.079 align:start position:0% 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:57.270 align:start position:0% okay 00:43:57.270 --> 00:43:57.280 align:start position:0% okay 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.069 align:start position:0% okay I'm<00:43:57.680> I'm<00:43:57.800> trying<00:43:58.079> to<00:43:58.720> wrap<00:43:59.040> my<00:43:59.200> head<00:43:59.400> around 00:44:00.069 --> 00:44:00.079 align:start position:0% I'm I'm trying to wrap my head around 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.589 align:start position:0% I'm I'm trying to wrap my head around the<00:44:00.240> terms<00:44:00.960> equity<00:44:01.839> and<00:44:02.839> equality<00:44:03.839> and<00:44:04.160> I'm 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people 00:44:51.510 --> 00:44:51.520 align:start position:0% Meme raise your hand okay most people 00:44:51.520 --> 00:44:53.430 align:start position:0% Meme raise your hand okay most people have<00:44:51.640> seen<00:44:51.800> that<00:44:51.920> Meme<00:44:52.160> so<00:44:52.440> I<00:44:52.520> won't<00:44:52.800> like 00:44:53.430 --> 00:44:53.440 align:start position:0% have seen that Meme so I won't like 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.990 align:start position:0% have seen that Meme so I won't like explain<00:44:53.920> what<00:44:54.240> it<00:44:55.240> what<00:44:55.400> it<00:44:56.000> shows<00:44:56.520> but<00:44:56.800> I<00:44:56.880> just 00:44:56.990 --> 00:44:57.000 align:start position:0% explain what it what it shows but I just 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.230 align:start position:0% explain what it what it shows but I just think<00:44:57.160> that's<00:44:57.319> what<00:44:57.480> people<00:44:57.599> are<00:44:57.800> literally 00:44:58.230 --> 00:44:58.240 align:start 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but I think 00:45:02.720 --> 00:45:04.190 align:start position:0% you can do whatever you want but I think that's<00:45:02.839> what<00:45:03.000> people<00:45:03.119> are<00:45:03.359> thinking<00:45:03.640> of<00:45:04.040> but 00:45:04.190 --> 00:45:04.200 align:start position:0% that's what people are thinking of but 00:45:04.200 --> 00:45:06.630 align:start position:0% that's what people are thinking of but when<00:45:04.359> we<00:45:04.559> say<00:45:04.880> neutrality<00:45:05.640> means<00:45:05.960> treating 00:45:06.630 --> 00:45:06.640 align:start position:0% when we say neutrality means treating 00:45:06.640 --> 00:45:09.190 align:start position:0% when we say neutrality means treating every<00:45:06.880> unique<00:45:07.280> person<00:45:07.640> the<00:45:07.839> same<00:45:08.839> are<00:45:09.040> we 00:45:09.190 --> 00:45:09.200 align:start position:0% every unique person the same are we 00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:11.190 align:start position:0% every unique person the same 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sorry you asked one final 00:45:27.680 --> 00:45:29.990 align:start position:0% next oh sorry you asked one final statement<00:45:28.680> tranquil<00:45:29.240> I<00:45:29.359> just<00:45:29.440> wanted<00:45:29.640> to<00:45:29.839> say 00:45:29.990 --> 00:45:30.000 align:start position:0% statement tranquil I just wanted to say 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.670 align:start position:0% statement tranquil I just wanted to say that<00:45:30.160> I<00:45:30.319> have<00:45:30.800> a<00:45:30.920> little<00:45:31.079> bit<00:45:31.240> of<00:45:31.400> a<00:45:32.359> I<00:45:32.440> have<00:45:32.599> a 00:45:32.670 --> 00:45:32.680 align:start position:0% that I have a little bit of a I have a 00:45:32.680 --> 00:45:34.150 align:start position:0% that I have a little bit of a I have a little<00:45:32.839> bit<00:45:32.960> of<00:45:33.040> a<00:45:33.359> difficulty<00:45:33.599> wrapping<00:45:34.000> my 00:45:34.150 --> 00:45:34.160 align:start position:0% little bit of a difficulty 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position:0% problem does anyone else has some uh 00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:58.470 align:start position:0% problem does anyone else has some uh bridging 00:54:58.470 --> 00:54:58.480 align:start position:0% bridging 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.470 align:start position:0% bridging Reflections 00:55:02.470 --> 00:55:02.480 align:start position:0% 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:04.230 align:start position:0% okay 00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:04.240 align:start position:0% okay 00:55:04.240 --> 00:55:07.270 align:start position:0% okay thanks<00:55:05.240> I'm<00:55:05.440> lunardo<00:55:06.119> and<00:55:06.599> I<00:55:06.680> was<00:55:06.880> thinking 00:55:07.270 --> 00:55:07.280 align:start position:0% thanks I'm lunardo and I was thinking 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:09.470 align:start position:0% thanks I'm lunardo and I was thinking about<00:55:07.880> because<00:55:08.160> we<00:55:08.280> are<00:55:08.480> all<00:55:08.680> talking<00:55:09.000> about 00:55:09.470 --> 00:55:09.480 align:start position:0% about because we are all talking about 00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:11.589 align:start position:0% about because we are all talking about neutrality<00:55:10.280> like<00:55:10.680> just 00:55:11.589 --> 00:55:11.599 align:start position:0% neutrality like just 00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:13.910 align:start position:0% neutrality like just neutrality<00:55:12.599> but<00:55:13.079> the<00:55:13.200> question<00:55:13.440> it<00:55:13.559> says 00:55:13.910 --> 00:55:13.920 align:start position:0% neutrality but the question it says 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.109 align:start position:0% neutrality but the question it says about<00:55:14.280> digital<00:55:14.720> neutrality<00:55:15.599> right<00:55:15.760> so<00:55:15.880> I<00:55:15.960> was 00:55:16.109 --> 00:55:16.119 align:start position:0% about digital neutrality right so I was 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:17.789 align:start position:0% about digital neutrality right so I was thinking<00:55:16.440> about<00:55:16.720> if<00:55:16.920> it 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obviously that is not we don't exist but 00:58:59.799 --> 00:59:01.950 align:start position:0% obviously that is not we don't exist but we<00:58:59.960> lock<00:59:00.200> out<00:59:00.359> a<00:59:00.480> lot<00:59:00.640> of<00:59:00.799> choices<00:59:01.720> that<00:59:01.880> you 00:59:01.950 --> 00:59:01.960 align:start position:0% we lock out a lot of choices that you 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.349 align:start position:0% we lock out a lot of choices that you could<00:59:02.200> otherwise<00:59:02.599> have<00:59:03.079> in<00:59:03.319> that<00:59:03.920> and<00:59:04.119> then<00:59:04.280> in 00:59:04.349 --> 00:59:04.359 align:start position:0% could otherwise have in that and then in 00:59:04.359 --> 00:59:06.470 align:start position:0% could otherwise have in that and then in a<00:59:04.599> sense<00:59:05.000> you<00:59:05.160> are<00:59:05.720> like<00:59:06.000> a<00:59:06.079> lot<00:59:06.200> of<00:59:06.359> like 00:59:06.470 --> 00:59:06.480 align:start position:0% a sense you are like a lot of like 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:08.630 align:start position:0% a sense you are like a lot of like freedom<00:59:06.760> of<00:59:06.880> choice<00:59:07.160> is<00:59:07.319> gone<00:59:08.079> and<00:59:08.280> thereby 00:59:08.630 --> 00:59:08.640 align:start position:0% freedom of choice is gone and thereby 00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:10.710 align:start position:0% freedom of choice is gone and thereby it's<00:59:08.720> a<00:59:08.839> lot<00:59:09.000> more<00:59:09.280> neutral<00:59:10.280> which<00:59:10.359> is<00:59:10.520> not 00:59:10.710 --> 00:59:10.720 align:start position:0% it's a lot more neutral which is not 00:59:10.720 --> 00:59:14.349 align:start position:0% it's a lot more neutral which is not like<00:59:10.960> very<00:59:11.119> far<00:59:11.400> from<00:59:11.599> what<00:59:11.760> he 00:59:14.349 --> 00:59:14.359 align:start position:0% 00:59:14.359 --> 00:59:16.390 align:start position:0% said<00:59:15.359> I<00:59:15.440> 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