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some issues here but there are also 00:15:12.180 --> 00:15:14.269 align:start position:0% are some issues here but there are also things<00:15:12.360> that<00:15:12.600> we're<00:15:12.720> starting<00:15:12.899> to<00:15:13.079> see<00:15:13.260> now 00:15:14.269 --> 00:15:14.279 align:start position:0% things that we're starting to see now 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:15.829 align:start position:0% things that we're starting to see now um<00:15:14.339> where<00:15:14.820> you<00:15:15.180> might<00:15:15.300> have<00:15:15.480> like<00:15:15.660> a 00:15:15.829 --> 00:15:15.839 align:start position:0% um where you might have like a 00:15:15.839 --> 00:15:17.329 align:start position:0% um where you might have like a withdrawal<00:15:16.260> like<00:15:16.500> we<00:15:16.680> do<00:15:16.800> see<00:15:16.980> these<00:15:17.220> like 00:15:17.329 --> 00:15:17.339 align:start position:0% withdrawal like we do see these like 00:15:17.339 --> 00:15:18.949 align:start position:0% withdrawal 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align:start position:0% I do all this what I normally do is to I try<00:17:35.820> to<00:17:35.940> find<00:17:36.120> things<00:17:36.539> that<00:17:36.900> like<00:17:37.140> people 00:17:37.909 --> 00:17:37.919 align:start position:0% try to find things that like people 00:17:37.919 --> 00:17:40.669 align:start position:0% try to find things that like people don't<00:17:38.820> know<00:17:39.059> or<00:17:39.419> that<00:17:39.720> the<00:17:39.900> developer<00:17:40.440> didn't 00:17:40.669 --> 00:17:40.679 align:start position:0% don't know or that the developer didn't 00:17:40.679 --> 00:17:42.770 align:start position:0% don't know or that the developer didn't know<00:17:40.919> when<00:17:41.039> they<00:17:41.220> were<00:17:41.340> writing<00:17:41.580> the<00:17:41.700> code<00:17:41.880> so 00:17:42.770 --> 00:17:42.780 align:start position:0% know when they were writing the code so 00:17:42.780 --> 00:17:44.390 align:start position:0% know when they were writing the code 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that's like yo if if you guys drain<00:29:09.059> a<00:29:09.240> billion<00:29:09.539> dollars<00:29:09.779> a<00:29:09.960> tvl<00:29:10.500> from<00:29:10.799> my 00:29:11.029 --> 00:29:11.039 align:start position:0% drain a billion dollars a tvl from my 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:12.830 align:start position:0% drain a billion dollars a tvl from my contract<00:29:11.460> this<00:29:11.880> is<00:29:12.000> how<00:29:12.120> much<00:29:12.299> the<00:29:12.480> white<00:29:12.600> hat 00:29:12.830 --> 00:29:12.840 align:start position:0% contract this is how much the white hat 00:29:12.840 --> 00:29:15.049 align:start position:0% contract this is how much the white hat Bounty<00:29:13.200> is<00:29:13.320> and<00:29:13.860> uh<00:29:14.039> we're<00:29:14.400> like<00:29:14.700> legally 00:29:15.049 --> 00:29:15.059 align:start position:0% Bounty is and uh we're like legally 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.909 align:start position:0% Bounty is and uh we're like legally saying<00:29:15.779> 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stepped 00:29:54.470 --> 00:29:54.480 align:start position:0% all like a bunch of white hats stepped 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:55.970 align:start position:0% all like a bunch of white hats stepped up<00:29:54.539> and<00:29:54.840> started<00:29:55.080> draining<00:29:55.440> this<00:29:55.620> contract 00:29:55.970 --> 00:29:55.980 align:start position:0% up and started draining this contract 00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:57.230 align:start position:0% up and started draining this contract and<00:29:56.159> it<00:29:56.279> was<00:29:56.399> weird<00:29:56.520> you<00:29:56.640> can<00:29:56.760> only<00:29:56.880> drain<00:29:57.120> like 00:29:57.230 --> 00:29:57.240 align:start position:0% and it was weird you can only drain like 00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:58.850 align:start position:0% and it was weird you can only drain like a<00:29:57.360> little<00:29:57.419> bit<00:29:57.539> at<00:29:57.659> a<00:29:57.840> time<00:29:57.899> so<00:29:58.380> they<00:29:58.500> were<00:29:58.620> able 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like Hey we're going 00:30:03.600 --> 00:30:04.850 align:start position:0% sounds weird to say like Hey we're going to<00:30:03.659> give<00:30:03.779> you<00:30:03.840> a<00:30:03.899> White<00:30:04.020> House<00:30:04.200> Bounty<00:30:04.620> if<00:30:04.740> you 00:30:04.850 --> 00:30:04.860 align:start position:0% to give you a White House Bounty if you 00:30:04.860 --> 00:30:06.409 align:start position:0% to give you a White House Bounty if you hack<00:30:04.980> our<00:30:05.159> contract<00:30:05.460> and<00:30:05.580> steal<00:30:05.880> all<00:30:06.179> of<00:30:06.299> our 00:30:06.409 --> 00:30:06.419 align:start position:0% hack our contract and steal all of our 00:30:06.419 --> 00:30:08.690 align:start position:0% hack our contract and steal all of our crap<00:30:06.600> but<00:30:07.020> this<00:30:07.200> is<00:30:07.320> like<00:30:07.559> a<00:30:07.799> phenomenon<00:30:08.460> that 00:30:08.690 --> 00:30:08.700 align:start position:0% crap but this is like a phenomenon that 00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:10.970 align:start position:0% crap but this is like a phenomenon that keeps<00:30:08.940> reappearing<00:30:09.539> where<00:30:10.260> everybody<00:30:10.559> hears 00:30:10.970 --> 00:30:10.980 align:start position:0% keeps reappearing where everybody hears 00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:12.409 align:start position:0% keeps reappearing where everybody hears about<00:30:11.100> the<00:30:11.279> vulnerability<00:30:11.700> at<00:30:11.880> the<00:30:12.000> same<00:30:12.179> time 00:30:12.409 --> 00:30:12.419 align:start position:0% about the vulnerability at the same time 00:30:12.419 --> 00:30:14.330 align:start position:0% about the vulnerability at the same time and<00:30:12.899> we<00:30:13.080> do<00:30:13.200> need<00:30:13.440> people<00:30:13.679> to<00:30:13.980> drain<00:30:14.159> these 00:30:14.330 --> 00:30:14.340 align:start position:0% and we do need people to drain these 00:30:14.340 --> 00:30:15.470 align:start position:0% and we do 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interrupt yeah 00:30:21.779 --> 00:30:26.090 align:start position:0% interrupt yeah um<00:30:21.960> so<00:30:22.260> my<00:30:22.620> last<00:30:22.740> next<00:30:23.039> question<00:30:23.279> is<00:30:23.580> like<00:30:24.240> um 00:30:26.090 --> 00:30:26.100 align:start position:0% um so my last next question is like um 00:30:26.100 --> 00:30:28.549 align:start position:0% um so my last next question is like um the<00:30:26.640> harder<00:30:27.059> one<00:30:27.240> so<00:30:27.779> when<00:30:28.020> would<00:30:28.260> you<00:30:28.440> all 00:30:28.549 --> 00:30:28.559 align:start position:0% the harder one so when would you all 00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.289 align:start position:0% the harder one so when would you all feel<00:30:28.860> comfortable<00:30:29.340> to<00:30:29.760> put<00:30:29.880> all<00:30:30.120> of 00:30:30.289 --> 00:30:30.299 align:start position:0% feel comfortable to put all of 00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:34.010 align:start position:0% feel comfortable to 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align:start position:0% auditor made uh how deep they went and 00:31:21.179 --> 00:31:22.730 align:start position:0% auditor made uh how deep they went and uh 00:31:22.730 --> 00:31:22.740 align:start position:0% uh 00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:24.470 align:start position:0% uh the<00:31:23.100> experience<00:31:23.580> that<00:31:23.760> this<00:31:24.000> person<00:31:24.179> have 00:31:24.470 --> 00:31:24.480 align:start position:0% the experience that this person have 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.149 align:start position:0% the experience that this person have when<00:31:24.779> you<00:31:24.960> put<00:31:25.080> all<00:31:25.320> these<00:31:25.620> pieces<00:31:25.860> together 00:31:26.149 --> 00:31:26.159 align:start position:0% when you put all these pieces together 00:31:26.159 --> 00:31:27.649 align:start position:0% when you put all these pieces together so<00:31:26.520> it's<00:31:26.700> just<00:31:26.880> but<00:31:27.059> you<00:31:27.240> need<00:31:27.360> to<00:31:27.480> know 00:31:27.649 --> 00:31:27.659 align:start position:0% so it's just but you need to know 00:31:27.659 --> 00:31:29.870 align:start position:0% so it's just but you need to know personally<00:31:28.140> like<00:31:28.860> each<00:31:29.100> of<00:31:29.279> the<00:31:29.399> Auditors 00:31:29.870 --> 00:31:29.880 align:start position:0% personally like each of the Auditors 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.570 align:start position:0% personally like each of the Auditors each<00:31:30.360> of<00:31:30.539> the<00:31:31.039> internal<00:31:32.039> and<00:31:32.159> external 00:31:32.570 --> 00:31:32.580 align:start position:0% each of the internal and external 00:31:32.580 --> 00:31:34.730 align:start position:0% each of the internal and external Auditors<00:31:32.940> and<00:31:33.240> each<00:31:33.480> person<00:31:33.960> of<00:31:34.260> the<00:31:34.500> people 00:31:34.730 --> 00:31:34.740 align:start position:0% Auditors and each person of the people 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:39.409 align:start position:0% Auditors and each person of the people you<00:31:35.520> just<00:31:35.700> check<00:31:36.000> to<00:31:36.240> all<00:31:36.360> the<00:31:36.600> places<00:31:37.100> and<00:31:38.100> uh 00:31:39.409 --> 00:31:39.419 align:start position:0% you just check to all the places and uh 00:31:39.419 --> 00:31:41.930 align:start position:0% you just check to all the places and uh here<00:31:39.960> is<00:31:40.200> just<00:31:40.320> a<00:31:40.500> feeling<00:31:40.620> it's<00:31:41.220> it's<00:31:41.520> a 00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:41.940 align:start position:0% here is just a feeling it's it's a 00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:45.110 align:start position:0% here is just a feeling it's it's a feeling<00:31:42.120> that<00:31:42.480> okay<00:31:42.779> this<00:31:43.260> is<00:31:43.440> uh<00:31:44.039> this<00:31:44.700> uh 00:31:45.110 --> 00:31:45.120 align:start position:0% feeling that okay this is uh this uh 00:31:45.120 --> 00:31:47.210 align:start position:0% feeling that okay this is uh this uh should<00:31:45.720> be<00:31:45.899> reasonable<00:31:46.380> safe<00:31:46.679> that's<00:31:46.980> a 00:31:47.210 --> 00:31:47.220 align:start position:0% should be reasonable safe that's a 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:49.549 align:start position:0% should be reasonable safe that's a feeling<00:31:47.340> it's<00:31:47.880> not<00:31:48.059> uh<00:31:48.840> I<00:31:49.020> wouldn't<00:31:49.200> it's 00:31:49.549 --> 00:31:49.559 align:start position:0% feeling it's not uh I wouldn't it's 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:50.750 align:start position:0% feeling it's not uh I wouldn't it's difficult<00:31:49.799> to<00:31:49.980> put<00:31:50.100> a<00:31:50.279> parameter<00:31:50.580> because 00:31:50.750 --> 00:31:50.760 align:start position:0% difficult to put a parameter because 00:31:50.760 --> 00:31:52.970 align:start position:0% difficult to put a parameter because what<00:31:50.940> you<00:31:51.120> say<00:31:51.240> you<00:31:51.419> say<00:31:51.600> 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important but I think that like 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:09.049 align:start position:0% that's important but I think that like bounties<00:33:07.679> are<00:33:07.860> are<00:33:08.100> a<00:33:08.279> big<00:33:08.399> deal<00:33:08.580> and<00:33:08.880> and 00:33:09.049 --> 00:33:09.059 align:start position:0% bounties are are a big deal and and 00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:10.970 align:start position:0% bounties are are a big deal and and these<00:33:09.360> things<00:33:09.480> naturally<00:33:09.840> have<00:33:09.960> bounties 00:33:10.970 --> 00:33:10.980 align:start position:0% these things naturally have bounties 00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:12.230 align:start position:0% these things naturally have bounties um<00:33:11.039> open<00:33:11.279> source<00:33:11.640> is<00:33:11.700> important<00:33:12.000> you<00:33:12.120> need 00:33:12.230 --> 00:33:12.240 align:start position:0% um open source is important you need 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:13.850 align:start position:0% um open source is 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align:start position:0% about it right somebody was probably 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:27.230 align:start position:0% about it right somebody was probably using<00:33:25.500> that<00:33:25.559> the<00:33:25.740> whole<00:33:25.860> time<00:33:26.039> so<00:33:26.399> for<00:33:26.760> me<00:33:26.940> like 00:33:27.230 --> 00:33:27.240 align:start position:0% using that the whole time so for me like 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.169 align:start position:0% using that the whole time so for me like you<00:33:27.720> know<00:33:27.840> this<00:33:28.500> stuff<00:33:28.620> is<00:33:28.799> very<00:33:28.980> new<00:33:29.179> ecdsa 00:33:30.169 --> 00:33:30.179 align:start position:0% you know this stuff is very new ecdsa 00:33:30.179 --> 00:33:32.870 align:start position:0% you know this stuff is very new ecdsa tried<00:33:30.600> and<00:33:30.720> true<00:33:30.899> like<00:33:31.320> sure<00:33:31.620> BLS<00:33:32.220> like<00:33:32.399> we<00:33:32.640> we 00:33:32.870 --> 00:33:32.880 align:start position:0% tried and true like sure BLS like we we 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.389 align:start position:0% tried and true like sure BLS like we we we<00:33:32.940> took<00:33:33.899> some<00:33:34.019> like<00:33:34.260> we<00:33:34.860> can<00:33:34.980> do<00:33:35.039> this<00:33:35.220> because 00:33:35.389 --> 00:33:35.399 align:start position:0% we took some like we can do this because 00:33:35.399 --> 00:33:36.830 align:start position:0% we took some like we can do this because we<00:33:35.700> want<00:33:35.760> to<00:33:35.880> aggregate<00:33:36.120> signature<00:33:36.360> years<00:33:36.659> and 00:33:36.830 --> 00:33:36.840 align:start position:0% we want to aggregate signature years and 00:33:36.840 --> 00:33:38.269 align:start position:0% we want to aggregate signature years and the<00:33:36.960> trade-off<00:33:37.200> was<00:33:37.380> important<00:33:37.740> but<00:33:38.159> we're 00:33:38.269 --> 00:33:38.279 align:start position:0% the trade-off was 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align:start position:0% when nobody cared about it um and now we're<00:33:51.419> heading<00:33:51.659> to<00:33:51.779> Golden<00:33:51.840> Age<00:33:52.080> of 00:33:52.250 --> 00:33:52.260 align:start position:0% we're heading to Golden Age of 00:33:52.260 --> 00:33:53.509 align:start position:0% we're heading to Golden Age of cryptography<00:33:52.740> and<00:33:52.860> we're<00:33:52.980> implementing<00:33:53.399> it 00:33:53.509 --> 00:33:53.519 align:start position:0% cryptography and we're implementing it 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.130 align:start position:0% cryptography and we're implementing it and<00:33:53.700> he<00:33:53.880> was<00:33:54.000> like<00:33:54.179> I<00:33:54.539> wouldn't<00:33:54.659> I<00:33:55.019> wouldn't 00:33:55.130 --> 00:33:55.140 align:start position:0% and he was like I wouldn't I wouldn't 00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:56.750 align:start position:0% and he was like I wouldn't I wouldn't put<00:33:55.320> in<00:33:55.440> the<00:33:55.559> 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next 00:34:02.210 --> 00:34:02.220 align:start position:0% have privacy about who's proposing next 00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:04.009 align:start position:0% have privacy about who's proposing next so<00:34:02.460> they<00:34:02.580> can't<00:34:02.760> DDOS<00:34:03.179> like<00:34:03.419> targeted<00:34:03.720> DDOS 00:34:04.009 --> 00:34:04.019 align:start position:0% so they can't DDOS like targeted DDOS 00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:05.990 align:start position:0% so they can't DDOS like targeted DDOS our<00:34:04.200> proposers<00:34:04.620> and<00:34:04.980> proof<00:34:05.220> of<00:34:05.279> stake<00:34:05.580> that's 00:34:05.990 --> 00:34:06.000 align:start position:0% our proposers and proof of stake that's 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.970 align:start position:0% our proposers and proof of stake that's like<00:34:06.179> the<00:34:06.419> only<00:34:06.600> place<00:34:06.899> we're<00:34:07.140> taking<00:34:07.380> a<00:34:07.740> tiny 00:34:07.970 --> 00:34:07.980 align:start position:0% like the only place we're taking a tiny 00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:09.770 align:start position:0% like the only place we're taking a tiny little<00:34:08.099> baby<00:34:08.280> step<00:34:08.580> a<00:34:08.820> ZK 00:34:09.770 --> 00:34:09.780 align:start position:0% little baby step a ZK 00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:11.270 align:start position:0% little baby step a ZK um<00:34:09.839> I<00:34:09.960> think<00:34:10.080> beyond<00:34:10.500> that<00:34:10.679> everything<00:34:11.040> else 00:34:11.270 --> 00:34:11.280 align:start position:0% um I think beyond that everything else 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.129 align:start position:0% um I think beyond that everything else is<00:34:11.520> there's<00:34:11.760> a<00:34:11.940> reason<00:34:12.060> you<00:34:12.359> have<00:34:12.540> like<00:34:12.899> this 00:34:13.129 --> 00:34:13.139 align:start position:0% is there's a reason you have like this 00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:16.010 align:start position:0% is there's a reason you have like this there's<00:34:13.980> no<00:34:14.339> privacy<00:34:14.820> and<00:34:15.119> like<00:34:15.359> like<00:34:15.599> ZK 00:34:16.010 --> 00:34:16.020 align:start position:0% there's no privacy and like like ZK 00:34:16.020 --> 00:34:17.930 align:start position:0% there's no privacy and like like ZK scaling<00:34:16.560> in<00:34:16.740> the<00:34:16.919> in<00:34:17.099> the<00:34:17.280> layer<00:34:17.520> one<00:34:17.639> and<00:34:17.820> I 00:34:17.930 --> 00:34:17.940 align:start position:0% scaling in the in the layer one and I 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:19.070 align:start position:0% scaling in the in the layer one and I talked<00:34:18.119> a<00:34:18.240> little<00:34:18.300> bit<00:34:18.419> about<00:34:18.599> contract 00:34:19.070 --> 00:34:19.080 align:start position:0% talked a little bit about contract 00:34:19.080 --> 00:34:21.829 align:start position:0% talked a little bit about contract solvency<00:34:19.679> I<00:34:20.220> think<00:34:20.339> 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know in like 30 minutes if 00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:43.190 align:start position:0% and not know in like 30 minutes if you're<00:37:41.940> keyed<00:37:42.240> into<00:37:42.359> crypto<00:37:42.660> and<00:37:42.780> infosec 00:37:43.190 --> 00:37:43.200 align:start position:0% you're keyed into crypto and infosec 00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:43.910 align:start position:0% you're keyed into crypto and infosec Twitter 00:37:43.910 --> 00:37:43.920 align:start position:0% Twitter 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.010 align:start position:0% Twitter um<00:37:43.980> I<00:37:44.099> think<00:37:44.220> it's<00:37:44.400> really<00:37:44.700> cool<00:37:45.000> like<00:37:45.599> that<00:37:45.900> a 00:37:46.010 --> 00:37:46.020 align:start position:0% um I think it's really cool like that a 00:37:46.020 --> 00:37:47.810 align:start position:0% um I think it's really cool like that a hacker<00:37:46.320> could<00:37:46.500> like<00:37:46.740> basically<00:37:47.339> steal<00:37:47.700> all 00:37:47.810 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