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align:start position:0% community and like running the community I<00:18:49.440> think<00:18:49.559> of<00:18:49.799> like 00:18:51.169 --> 00:18:51.179 align:start position:0% I think of like 00:18:51.179 --> 00:18:52.730 align:start position:0% I think of like um<00:18:51.240> I<00:18:51.720> don't<00:18:51.840> know<00:18:51.900> if<00:18:51.960> like<00:18:52.140> notion<00:18:52.440> is<00:18:52.620> a 00:18:52.730 --> 00:18:52.740 align:start position:0% um I don't know if like notion is a 00:18:52.740 --> 00:18:54.650 align:start position:0% um I don't know if like notion is a really<00:18:52.860> good<00:18:52.980> example<00:18:53.340> of<00:18:53.580> this<00:18:53.760> but<00:18:54.000> like 00:18:54.650 --> 00:18:54.660 align:start position:0% really good example of this but like 00:18:54.660 --> 00:18:56.690 align:start position:0% really good example of this but like previous<00:18:55.260> projects<00:18:55.980> that<00:18:56.160> have<00:18:56.340> like<00:18:56.460> 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obviously because it's a language right 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.370 align:start position:0% obviously because it's a language right it's<00:20:06.059> like<00:20:06.179> a<00:20:06.299> bunch<00:20:06.419> of<00:20:06.539> people<00:20:06.900> building 00:20:07.370 --> 00:20:07.380 align:start position:0% it's like a bunch of people building 00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:08.690 align:start position:0% it's like a bunch of people building this<00:20:07.620> language<00:20:07.799> and<00:20:07.980> Building<00:20:08.160> Things<00:20:08.340> on<00:20:08.580> top 00:20:08.690 --> 00:20:08.700 align:start position:0% this language and Building Things on top 00:20:08.700 --> 00:20:09.590 align:start position:0% this language and Building Things on top of<00:20:08.820> it 00:20:09.590 --> 00:20:09.600 align:start position:0% of it 00:20:09.600 --> 00:20:11.270 align:start position:0% of it um and<00:20:10.140> other<00:20:10.320> open<00:20:10.500> source<00:20:10.860> ecosystems 00:20:11.270 --> 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align:start position:0% process like where to go and I think governance<00:21:10.380> is<00:21:10.559> actually<00:21:10.799> the<00:21:11.039> answer 00:21:11.210 --> 00:21:11.220 align:start position:0% governance is actually the answer 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:12.830 align:start position:0% governance is actually the answer because<00:21:11.700> that's<00:21:12.000> the<00:21:12.179> tooling<00:21:12.419> that<00:21:12.600> we<00:21:12.720> can 00:21:12.830 --> 00:21:12.840 align:start position:0% because that's the tooling that we can 00:21:12.840 --> 00:21:14.990 align:start position:0% because that's the tooling that we can use<00:21:12.960> to<00:21:13.260> kind<00:21:13.440> of<00:21:13.500> figure<00:21:13.620> it<00:21:13.740> out<00:21:13.919> but<00:21:14.700> um<00:21:14.760> yeah 00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:15.000 align:start position:0% use to kind of figure it out but um yeah 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.250 align:start position:0% use to kind of figure it out but um yeah 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position:0% we have a lot of core units and there's really<00:22:15.840> no<00:22:16.080> incentive<00:22:16.620> to<00:22:16.919> integrate<00:22:17.460> or<00:22:17.640> to 00:22:17.810 --> 00:22:17.820 align:start position:0% really no incentive to integrate or to 00:22:17.820 --> 00:22:20.750 align:start position:0% really no incentive to integrate or to collaborate<00:22:18.360> so<00:22:18.900> every<00:22:19.140> core<00:22:19.380> unit<00:22:19.620> is<00:22:19.980> we 00:22:20.750 --> 00:22:20.760 align:start position:0% collaborate so every core unit is we 00:22:20.760 --> 00:22:22.850 align:start position:0% collaborate so every core unit is we have<00:22:20.880> a<00:22:20.940> very<00:22:21.120> flat<00:22:21.480> hierarchy<00:22:22.320> and<00:22:22.679> there's 00:22:22.850 --> 00:22:22.860 align:start position:0% have a very flat hierarchy and there's 00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:25.610 align:start position:0% have a very flat hierarchy and there's no<00:22:23.700> 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position:0% keep it in check and so these checks and 00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:38.029 align:start position:0% keep it in check and so these checks and balances<00:29:36.419> I<00:29:36.659> think<00:29:36.840> are<00:29:37.380> like<00:29:37.559> incredibly 00:29:38.029 --> 00:29:38.039 align:start position:0% balances I think are like incredibly 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.830 align:start position:0% balances I think are like incredibly incredibly<00:29:38.520> important<00:29:38.880> and<00:29:39.179> that's<00:29:39.360> I<00:29:39.720> think 00:29:39.830 --> 00:29:39.840 align:start position:0% incredibly important and that's I think 00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:41.570 align:start position:0% incredibly important and that's I think our<00:29:40.140> current<00:29:40.320> challenge<00:29:40.799> that<00:29:41.220> I'm<00:29:41.399> really 00:29:41.570 --> 00:29:41.580 align:start position:0% our current challenge that I'm really 00:29:41.580 --> 00:29:43.190 align:start position:0% our current 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align:start position:0% basically Milestone based funding where 00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:53.930 align:start position:0% basically Milestone based funding where you<00:32:52.500> have<00:32:52.620> to<00:32:52.740> upload<00:32:53.159> the<00:32:53.279> work<00:32:53.460> you<00:32:53.640> have<00:32:53.760> to 00:32:53.930 --> 00:32:53.940 align:start position:0% you have to upload the work you have to 00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:55.909 align:start position:0% you have to upload the work you have to provide<00:32:54.240> the<00:32:54.419> feedback<00:32:54.720> as<00:32:55.320> a<00:32:55.500> funder<00:32:55.799> you 00:32:55.909 --> 00:32:55.919 align:start position:0% provide the feedback as a funder you 00:32:55.919 --> 00:32:57.409 align:start position:0% provide the feedback as a funder you have<00:32:56.100> to<00:32:56.220> provide<00:32:56.460> the<00:32:56.640> feedback<00:32:56.940> and<00:32:57.120> as<00:32:57.299> a 00:32:57.409 --> 00:32:57.419 align:start position:0% have to 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in 00:33:56.509 --> 00:33:56.519 align:start position:0% so how many times can we say notion in 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.130 align:start position:0% so how many times can we say notion in this<00:33:56.640> paper<00:33:56.760> we've<00:33:57.240> been<00:33:57.299> telling<00:33:57.600> with<00:33:57.960> the 00:33:58.130 --> 00:33:58.140 align:start position:0% this paper we've been telling with the 00:33:58.140 --> 00:33:59.810 align:start position:0% this paper we've been telling with the with<00:33:58.620> different<00:33:58.799> tools 00:33:59.810 --> 00:33:59.820 align:start position:0% with different tools 00:33:59.820 --> 00:34:02.029 align:start position:0% with different tools um<00:33:59.880> and<00:34:00.360> yeah<00:34:00.539> looking<00:34:01.019> forward<00:34:01.200> to<00:34:01.440> find<00:34:01.799> one 00:34:02.029 --> 00:34:02.039 align:start position:0% um and yeah looking forward to find one 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.370 align:start position:0% um and yeah 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00:42:14.220 align:start position:0% yeah I think that um I do think that now 00:42:14.220 --> 00:42:15.950 align:start position:0% yeah I think that um I do think that now in<00:42:14.520> the<00:42:14.579> bear<00:42:14.700> Market<00:42:14.940> we're<00:42:15.240> like<00:42:15.480> laying<00:42:15.839> the 00:42:15.950 --> 00:42:15.960 align:start position:0% in the bear Market we're like laying the 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:17.450 align:start position:0% in the bear Market we're like laying the bricks<00:42:16.200> we're<00:42:16.380> laying<00:42:16.680> the<00:42:16.800> foundation<00:42:17.040> for 00:42:17.450 --> 00:42:17.460 align:start position:0% bricks we're laying the foundation for 00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:20.210 align:start position:0% bricks we're laying the foundation for kind<00:42:17.640> of<00:42:17.700> the<00:42:18.000> ecosystems<00:42:18.780> to<00:42:18.960> develop 00:42:20.210 --> 00:42:20.220 align:start position:0% kind of the ecosystems to develop 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