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align:start position:0% the great kind of like uh ux efficient security<00:33:06.480> that<00:33:06.840> like<00:33:07.020> that<00:33:07.320> has<00:33:07.500> been<00:33:07.620> put<00:33:07.740> out 00:33:07.850 --> 00:33:07.860 align:start position:0% security that like that has been put out 00:33:07.860 --> 00:33:09.470 align:start position:0% security that like that has been put out I<00:33:08.039> think<00:33:08.159> that<00:33:08.279> like<00:33:08.460> apple<00:33:08.640> is<00:33:09.000> probably<00:33:09.179> like 00:33:09.470 --> 00:33:09.480 align:start position:0% I think that like apple is probably like 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:10.430 align:start position:0% I think that like apple is probably like top 00:33:10.430 --> 00:33:10.440 align:start position:0% top 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.110 align:start position:0% top you<00:33:10.860> know<00:33:10.919> like<00:33:11.100> the<00:33:11.279> the<00:33:11.399> kind<00:33:11.760> of<00:33:11.880> like<00:33:11.940> top 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we'll we'll dive into this but you know 00:40:32.700 --> 00:40:34.310 align:start position:0% we'll we'll dive into this but you know I<00:40:32.820> think<00:40:32.940> that<00:40:33.119> this<00:40:33.359> is<00:40:33.480> why<00:40:33.720> I<00:40:33.839> really<00:40:34.140> want 00:40:34.310 --> 00:40:34.320 align:start position:0% I think that this is why I really want 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.470 align:start position:0% I think that this is why I really want to<00:40:34.380> emphasize<00:40:34.680> like 00:40:36.470 --> 00:40:36.480 align:start position:0% to emphasize like 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.170 align:start position:0% to emphasize like have<00:40:36.960> conversations<00:40:37.560> with<00:40:38.520> like<00:40:38.700> the<00:40:39.060> people 00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:39.180 align:start position:0% have conversations with like the people 00:40:39.180 --> 00:40:41.030 align:start position:0% have conversations with like the people that<00:40:39.480> are<00:40:39.599> 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