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hello hi everyone my name is Vincenzo I
 

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hello hi everyone my name is Vincenzo I
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work in research at l2b and today the
 

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work in research at l2b and today the
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talk is about data availability risks
 

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talk is about data availability risks
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and how to make a d secure looking at it
 

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and how to make a d secure looking at it
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through the lens of The l2b Da risk
 

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through the lens of The l2b Da risk
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framework so to start data availability
 

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framework so to start data availability
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is crucial for L2
 

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is crucial for L2
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security it's um nodes need data to
 

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security it's um nodes need data to
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reconstruct the state and Advance it and
 

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reconstruct the state and Advance it and
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this is important for both kind of
 

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this is important for both kind of
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constructions both for ZK constructions
 

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constructions both for ZK constructions
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or optimistic constructions and the
 

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or optimistic constructions and the
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reasons differ slightly for example for
 

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reasons differ slightly for example for
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an optimistic collup you may have a
 

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an optimistic collup you may have a
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malicious State root posted to ethereum
 

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malicious State root posted to ethereum
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and you need the data to compute the
 

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and you need the data to compute the
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the fraud proof and invalidated while
 

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the fraud proof and invalidated while
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for ZK constructions you may have a
 

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for ZK constructions you may have a
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correct State being posted to ethereum
 

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but um without the data to prove the
 

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but um without the data to prove the
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ownership of your individual assets uh
 

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ownership of your individual assets uh
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your funds may be Frozen and if you take
 

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your funds may be Frozen and if you take
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into consideration also the possibility
 

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into consideration also the possibility
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that the malicious
 

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operator uh may ask for a Rome to to
 

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operator uh may ask for a Rome to to
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make the data Available to You funds
 

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make the data Available to You funds
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could be stolen also in in the ZK case
 

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could be stolen also in in the ZK case
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do we make a daer secure and the first
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thing to consider is economic security
 

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thing to consider is economic security
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which is definitely not a meme and it is
 

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which is definitely not a meme and it is
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that the data can enter The Ledger so
 

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that the data can enter The Ledger so
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there is no sensorship on the D layer
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data enters the Ledger is not reor away
 

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data enters the Ledger is not reor away
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from a for a deep reor
 

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and this is the current state of the D
 

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and this is the current state of the D
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layers listed on l2b and you can see
 

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layers listed on l2b and you can see
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that there are some project that have
 

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that there are some project that have
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for non-attributable faults like data
 

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availability withholding attack for
 

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example is very hard in uh in Celestia
 

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example is very hard in uh in Celestia
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for example you would need a social Fork
 

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for example you would need a social Fork
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which is expensive and hard to pull off
 

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which is expensive and hard to pull off
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for uh aen you would need a a token Fork
 

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for uh aen you would need a a token Fork
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but the takeaway is that most slashing
 

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but the takeaway is that most slashing
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mechanisms are still untested and some
 

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are still under development like the aen
 

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are still under development like the aen
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one so how do you protect against the
 

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one so how do you protect against the
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most crucial kind of attack in data
 

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most crucial kind of attack in data
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availability the data withholding attack
 

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availability the data withholding attack
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you need data avilability sampling and
 

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you need data avilability sampling and
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this is in production for a couple of
 

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this is in production for a couple of
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projects like Celestia and ail but the
 

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projects like Celestia and ail but the
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Assumption of Thea availability sampling
 

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is that there is a minimum number of
 

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is that there is a minimum number of
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light nodes on the network that are
 

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light nodes on the network that are
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sampling this data and this is very hard
 

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sampling this data and this is very hard
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to verify so if if you're working on it
 

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to verify so if if you're working on it
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uh come talk to us and another thing
 

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uh come talk to us and another thing
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that is very hard is the block
 

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that is very hard is the block
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reconstruction protocol so once these
 

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reconstruction protocol so once these
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light nodes sample all the data um you
 

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light nodes sample all the data um you
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want them to be able to uh communicate
 

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want them to be able to uh communicate
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block so data is is not lost and this is
 

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block so data is is not lost and this is
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still under development for most
 

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still under development for most
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today but the DL layer is only one side
 

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today but the DL layer is only one side
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of of the equation a secure D layer
 

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what's also important is to have a
 

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what's also important is to have a
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secure da bridge and so for an external
 

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secure da bridge and so for an external
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da that um that is may be used by an
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made available on this external da layer
 

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and this proof then needs to be relayed
 

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pretty bad but hopefully that will
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soon so briefly looking at what makes a
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DA Bridge secure cuz we looked at the D
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layer but what makes a d Bridge secure
 

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the community community security so who
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provides the attestation to this bridge
 

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is it a small committee is a big one is
 

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it your friends is it a validator
 

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it your friends is it a validator
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failure so who can relay the da
 

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offline or turns malicious and also
 

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Bridge up curability so are these
 

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attestations immutable or can someone
 

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attestations immutable or can someone
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red on this slide uh also there is a lot
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bridges and if you're wondering about
 

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bridges and if you're wondering about
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da layers but there are also uh data
 

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da layers but there are also uh data
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availability committees and there are
 

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many of them some are better than others
 

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but you can get the the full list on the
 

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but you can get the the full list on the
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and if you want to find out the more
 

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and if you want to find out the more
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more details about this uh risk
 

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more details about this uh risk
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framework you can find it on the l2b
 

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framework you can find it on the l2b
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Forum and you can scan the QR code to to
 

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Forum and you can scan the QR code to to
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link and since I have some time left
 

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link and since I have some time left
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have seen are have different
 

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characteristics different risks so
 

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characteristics different risks so
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despite da being cheap and some people
 

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despite da being cheap and some people
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saying it's a DA is a commodity I think
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it's important to to look at these
 

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it's important to to look at these
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differences and actually take seriously
 

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differences and actually take seriously
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the the risk that may may come up from
 

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the the risk that may may come up from
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from using external Das and that's it
 

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from using external Das and that's it
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today Applause
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please so it is more than an important
 

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please so it is more than an important
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and thank you for summing this up so
 

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and thank you for summing this up so
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nicely in like in short minutes of
 

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nicely in like in short minutes of
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course we could talk about this for and
 

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course we could talk about this for and
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we need to talk right so uh please
 

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we need to talk right so uh please
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questions we have two minutes for
 

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questions we have two minutes for
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maybe you can just um say from from your
 

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maybe you can just um say from from your
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have like in the risk management and
 

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have like in the risk management and
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these kind of things how do you see how
 

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these kind of things how do you see how
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do you see the state of of of of of this
 

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do you see the state of of of of of this
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right yeah this projects are pretty new
 

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right yeah this projects are pretty new
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let's say they they launch may not
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maximum a couple of years ago so there's
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still work to do and teams are are
 

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serious so they're working on it and
 

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serious so they're working on it and
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right now we have the risk frame work to
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at the moment and not there is no
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project that is all green CU they just
 

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project that is all green CU they just
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started let's say I mean they've been
 

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started let's say I mean they've been
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working on it for a long time but um
 

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working on it for a long time but um
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Mains are more recent uh but I'm sure
 

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Mains are more recent uh but I'm sure
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they they'll you have get better soon
 

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they they'll you have get better soon
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yeah you have F of course I that's good
 

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yeah you have F of course I that's good
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yep please please please use the
 

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yep please please please use the
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microphone so the people on internet can
 

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microphone so the people on internet can
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hear as well yeah so uh you know you
 

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hear as well yeah so uh you know you
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said that I da use is a DA services and
 

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said that I da use is a DA services and
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others are public blockchains so could
 

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others are public blockchains so could
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you give more comparisons of these
 

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you give more comparisons of these
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different kinds of Das yeah in this
 

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different kinds of Das yeah in this
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slide I showed uh D layers so we divided
 

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slide I showed uh D layers so we divided
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in two sections on on L2 be we have
 

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in two sections on on L2 be we have
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public data availability providers and
 

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public data availability providers and
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custom so in the public ones we have
 

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custom so in the public ones we have
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public blockchains like Celestia Veil um
 

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public blockchains like Celestia Veil um
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and also agda as a DA service because
 

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and also agda as a DA service because
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it's a it's a public layer that is meant
 

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it's a it's a public layer that is meant
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to support many projects using it while
 

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to support many projects using it while
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on the other section you would have uh
 

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on the other section you would have uh
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data availabilities committees um that
 

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data availabilities committees um that
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usually are deeply integrated with one
 

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usually are deeply integrated with one
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okay thanks for the question and for the
 

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okay thanks for the question and for the
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answer thank you Veno again and thank El
 

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answer thank you Veno again and thank El
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to be to everything that you guys are
 

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to be to everything that you guys are
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doing thank you thank you thank you guys
 

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doing thank you thank you thank you guys
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