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hello hi this is not going to be
 

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hello hi this is not going to be
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nice um I'm here to tell you that it
 

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nice um I'm here to tell you that it
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will be your fault if things go wrong
 

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will be your fault if things go wrong
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and I will explain that um in Greater
 

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and I will explain that um in Greater
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detail I think our it's such a nice
 

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detail I think our it's such a nice
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segue to have um rina's talk earlier
 

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segue to have um rina's talk earlier
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because exactly what I want to talk
 

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because exactly what I want to talk
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about is the responsibility you have
 

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about is the responsibility you have
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when you abstract chains and when you
 

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when you abstract chains and when you
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curate the infrastructure that you
 

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curate the infrastructure that you
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have so about me um I'm the peanut brain
 

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have so about me um I'm the peanut brain
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at peanut protocol and we've been doing
 

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at peanut protocol and we've been doing
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chain abstraction when we still called
 

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chain abstraction when we still called
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it chain agnostic payments so we do we
 

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it chain agnostic payments so we do we
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do chain abstracted payments you can do
 

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do chain abstracted payments you can do
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a payment let's say in 10 usdt on
 

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a payment let's say in 10 usdt on
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optimism and someone can receive 10 USD
 

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optimism and someone can receive 10 USD
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on polygon uh we don't use um intense we
 

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on polygon uh we don't use um intense we
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don't use fancy solvers we use Simple
 

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don't use fancy solvers we use Simple
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Bridges um to make that happen we've
 

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been around for a while now um so yeah
 

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been around for a while now um so yeah
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think it's important to ask like why why
 

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think it's important to ask like why why
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should I even care where my tokens live
 

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should I even care where my tokens live
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so I think I personally care because the
 

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risks are very different to something
 

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risks are very different to something
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like a traditional centralized financial
 

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institution when you think about a bank
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have bailouts um that secure your funds
 

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have bailouts um that secure your funds
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and you don't need to worry about the
 

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of the bank you can be pretty sure that
 

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of the bank you can be pretty sure that
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you are able to withdraw um your funds
 

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you are able to withdraw um your funds
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don't have legal documents to back us up
 

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don't have legal documents to back us up
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we have Smart contracts um so I want to
 

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we have Smart contracts um so I want to
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talk through two dilemas one is simple
 

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talk through two dilemas one is simple
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ux and like very stripped down ux and
 

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ux and like very stripped down ux and
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beat um I think I think it's um yeah uh
 

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beat um I think I think it's um yeah uh
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a slide that I stole uh from radina that
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I briefly want to talk about um look at
 

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I briefly want to talk about um look at
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all of the risks that are um involved in
 

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all of the risks that are um involved in
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such a simple thing as just having usdc
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on orderly um well getting usdc on
 

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on orderly um well getting usdc on
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orderly you not only have all the circle
 

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orderly you not only have all the circle
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risk then you get like the the mantle
 

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risk then you get like the the mantle
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risk get the canonical brisk G layer
 

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risk get the canonical brisk G layer
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zero and so on that's crazy um so let's
 

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zero and so on that's crazy um so let's
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make the pizza green um and let's talk
 

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make the pizza green um and let's talk
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through some ways we can communicate
 

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through some ways we can communicate
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these risks to end users so we have this
 

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these risks to end users so we have this
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first generation of chain first two eyes
 

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first generation of chain first two eyes
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which emphasize the chain um and then
 

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which emphasize the chain um and then
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and then the acids so that's like
 

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and then the acids so that's like
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metamask where you have to pick your
 

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metamask where you have to pick your
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chain and then it only shows the acids
 

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chain and then it only shows the acids
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on that specific chain then we have acid
 

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on that specific chain then we have acid
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first UI so Rabbi I think has a is a
 

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first UI so Rabbi I think has a is a
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really nice example where um it shows
 

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really nice example where um it shows
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you the assets it will even show you um
 

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you the assets it will even show you um
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the the uh uh um Network
 

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the the uh uh um Network
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um um as separate entities but it will
 

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um um as separate entities but it will
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show the asset first it will show the
 

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show the asset first it will show the
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the network as a small thing in the back
 

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the network as a small thing in the back
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um well how should we do it as as
 

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um well how should we do it as as
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product people um what should a product
 

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product people um what should a product
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person do should they just like slap
 

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person do should they just like slap
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thousands of warnings everywhere uh
 

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thousands of warnings everywhere uh
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surely that's not a good way to onboard
 

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surely that's not a good way to onboard
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um users it gets even worse when we
 

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um users it gets even worse when we
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abstract everything and we just have
 

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abstract everything and we just have
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like a final balance and we just assume
 

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like a final balance and we just assume
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that everything's going to Route it
 

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that everything's going to Route it
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everywhere right yet we have to
 

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everywhere right yet we have to
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expose um these things somehow um
 

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expose um these things somehow um
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especially that with chain abstraction
 

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especially that with chain abstraction
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essentially what happens I would argue
 

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essentially what happens I would argue
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is that the fat protocal thesis kind of
 

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is that the fat protocal thesis kind of
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stops existing and the middleware thesis
 

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plus the app thesis become much broader
 

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plus the app thesis become much broader
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um which means that you much much more
 

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um which means that you much much more
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responsible for curating um the
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infrastructure and the middleware you're
 

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infrastructure and the middleware you're
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using and what you're exposing to the
 

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using and what you're exposing to the
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end user so there is this phenomenon I
 

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think that we'll see um with mass
 

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think that we'll see um with mass
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onboarding and very simple apps where
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we'll have a race to the bottom in terms
 

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of not showing these risks right like as
 

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of not showing these risks right like as
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a business especially as a startup I
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want to move fast and break things and
 

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want to move fast and break things and
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yeah I'm it is a disadvantage is it is
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objectively a business disadvantage to
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be like warning this thing is at risk
 

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be like warning this thing is at risk
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warning that thing is at risk um which
 

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warning that thing is at risk um which
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means that it's even more important to
 

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means that it's even more important to
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internally as a product team to vet the
 

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internally as a product team to vet the
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infrastructure that you're using and
 

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infrastructure that you're using and
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consult um uh tools and and people like
 

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consult um uh tools and and people like
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L2 beat and uh maybe Bridge beat in this
 

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L2 beat and uh maybe Bridge beat in this
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in the future um one thing that I wanted
 

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in the future um one thing that I wanted
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to emphas is that the market doesn't
 

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to emphas is that the market doesn't
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seem to price these risks um strongly
 

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seem to price these risks um strongly
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like one eth on some random L2 is going
 

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like one eth on some random L2 is going
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to be exactly the same dollar value of
 

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to be exactly the same dollar value of
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eth on Main net um so it seems that um
 

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eth on Main net um so it seems that um
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the market just doesn't doesn't price
 

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the market just doesn't doesn't price
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these maybe because we haven't seen a
 

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these maybe because we haven't seen a
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catastrophic risk yet uh a catastrophic
 

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catastrophic risk yet uh a catastrophic
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failure yet so yeah uh if you ever want
 

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failure yet so yeah uh if you ever want
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to chat about interoperability for
 

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to chat about interoperability for
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payments uh DM me I will send you money
 

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payments uh DM me I will send you money
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details thank you
 

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details thank you
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Conrad and you can already talk to
 

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Conrad and you can already talk to
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Conrad right now if you ask a question
 

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incredible right you can ask your uh
 

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incredible right you can ask your uh
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question by raising your hand and I'll
 

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question by raising your hand and I'll
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you yes oh that's far maybe it's easier
 

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you yes oh that's far maybe it's easier
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you do from there
 

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you do from there
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no no it's okay you can you can you can
 

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no no it's okay you can you can you can
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stay okay I like standing up anyway so I
 

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stay okay I like standing up anyway so I
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understand about the counterparty risk
 

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understand about the counterparty risk
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of the bridge uh introducing you know
 

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of the bridge uh introducing you know
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different risk to the bridge asset but
 

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different risk to the bridge asset but
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in the far future if we have soft smart
 

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in the far future if we have soft smart
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contract security and all that with like
 

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contract security and all that with like
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ZK or whatever people are using do you
 

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ZK or whatever people are using do you
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foresee it being at risk parity across
 

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all the chain and therefore chain
 

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all the chain and therefore chain
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viable I think when we say chain
 

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viable I think when we say chain
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abstraction it's still basket of chains
 

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abstraction it's still basket of chains
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that you as a um prodject Creator uh
 

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that you as a um prodject Creator uh
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curate right so they I I think maybe
 

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curate right so they I I think maybe
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there will be a world where all this
 

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there will be a world where all this
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going to go it's going to be very very
 

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going to go it's going to be very very
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simple to have like really really really
 

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simple to have like really really really
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good um tech there um that where we
 

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good um tech there um that where we
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don't need to do all these um audits
 

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don't need to do all these um audits
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essentially um but uh yeah it's it's up
 

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essentially um but uh yeah it's it's up
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to you to curate I think that's my my
 

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to you to curate I think that's my my
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main argument yeah
 

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main argument yeah
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yeah all right we have another question
 

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yeah all right we have another question
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in the far future yeah sorry sorry for
 

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in the far future yeah sorry sorry for
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someone that's new into the space me
 

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someone that's new into the space me
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here oh for someone that's new into the
 

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here oh for someone that's new into the
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space and building doesn't have like a
 

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space and building doesn't have like a
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plor of knowledge of
 

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existing third party risk that exists
 

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existing third party risk that exists
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with Bridges like how do you actually
 

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with Bridges like how do you actually
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assess and price in that risk when
 

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assess and price in that risk when
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building where's the best place to do
 

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building where's the best place to do
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that yeah really really good question so
 

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that yeah really really good question so
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El is a great place um I think my main
 

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El is a great place um I think my main
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message would be again it's you as the
 

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message would be again it's you as the
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product owner or or even like
 

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product owner or or even like
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co-founders um who have to make that
 

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co-founders um who have to make that
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decision about curation if you want to
 

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decision about curation if you want to
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hide the risks like you you're faced
 

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hide the risks like you you're faced
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with this dilemma of like either you
 

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with this dilemma of like either you
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expose the risk and you fair to the user
 

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expose the risk and you fair to the user
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and say well it's going to be your own
 

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and say well it's going to be your own
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fault you're you're responsible which
 

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fault you're you're responsible which
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creates wor UI or um you curate it for
 

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creates wor UI or um you curate it for
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them and then um don't get surprised if
 

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them and then um don't get surprised if
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uh people will spam your support email
 

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uh people will spam your support email
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if they lose their funds and they will
 

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if they lose their funds and they will
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hunt you
 

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hunt you
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down cool we have time for another
 

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down cool we have time for another
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one maybe you do maybe don't yes you do
 

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one maybe you do maybe don't yes you do
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fantastic get ready to catch and
 

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fantastic get ready to catch and
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go good catch and do say if that's going
 

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go good catch and do say if that's going
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to create the barrier of entry for like
 

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to create the barrier of entry for like
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new l2s to enter because like the r
 

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new l2s to enter because like the r
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there's a re in a new
 

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there's a re in a new
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play I think it's the opposite so I
 

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play I think it's the opposite so I
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think with as with any research project
 

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um there's a first mve disadvantage
 

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because you're pouring in millions and
 

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because you're pouring in millions and
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millions into the biggest brains of the
 

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industry to design a new infrastructure
 

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industry to design a new infrastructure
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and then anyone else can just Fork that
 

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and then anyone else can just Fork that
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or build a very similar copy um yeah
 

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whilst inheriting all of the niceties of
 

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whilst inheriting all of the niceties of
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mover but it wouldn't apply for if they
 

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mover but it wouldn't apply for if they
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are using a new technology for example
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new then you need to convince everyone
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that it's good Tech and you need to
 

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that it's good Tech and you need to
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really pitch yourself I think that's
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also a message to all infra projects
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like pitch that pitch to apps that you
 

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like pitch that pitch to apps that you
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are the the best option the secure
 

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are the the best option the secure
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option for your users because app
 

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option for your users because app
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developers have this responsibility um
 

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developers have this responsibility um
towards<00:09:24.480><c> the</c><00:09:24.600><c> end</c>

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towards the end
 

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towards the end
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