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hi everyone my name is Yvonne and I've
 

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hi everyone my name is Yvonne and I've
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been do a quick overview of tough to
 

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been do a quick overview of tough to
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Middletown became a mixer with the
 

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Middletown became a mixer with the
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specific focus on building one that is
 

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specific focus on building one that is
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completely anonymous and does not
 

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completely anonymous and does not
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require human interaction or human
 

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require human interaction or human
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subsidies so if you look at these see
 

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subsidies so if you look at these see
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themselves right now many of them are
 

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themselves right now many of them are
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not 100% decentralized they tend to
 

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not 100% decentralized they tend to
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require either a price key remediate a
 

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require either a price key remediate a
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we layer that's subsidized by some
 

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we layer that's subsidized by some
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company maybe one exception will be you
 

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company maybe one exception will be you
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swap that exists on chain and requires
 

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swap that exists on chain and requires
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pretty much no interaction and so let's
 

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pretty much no interaction and so let's
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see how close we can get back to the
 

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see how close we can get back to the
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gold standard yes
 

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gold standard yes
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so first of all there's if you mixing
 

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so first of all there's if you mixing
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technologies that exist this days the
 

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technologies that exist this days the
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first one is enjoying the statues in
 

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first one is enjoying the statues in
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Bitcoin discipline for example in the
 

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Bitcoin discipline for example in the
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wasabi wallet and it's also used in
 

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wasabi wallet and it's also used in
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memorable and grim if you've been
 

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memorable and grim if you've been
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following the project then there is
 

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following the project then there is
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equally based which is used in Manero
 

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equally based which is used in Manero
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and finally there's always vertical
 

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and finally there's always vertical
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three based verticals of the of
 

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three based verticals of the of
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investment wanna see cash and there's if
 

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investment wanna see cash and there's if
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you if you mix there's built on top of
 

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you if you mix there's built on top of
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theft that vertical as well including it
 

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theft that vertical as well including it
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makes the most sense or not attached so
 

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makes the most sense or not attached so
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quick overview of all three who join is
 

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quick overview of all three who join is
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basically instead of two people doing
 

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basically instead of two people doing
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two different two different transactions
 

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two different two different transactions
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they come together for the purposes of
 

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climbing up helping each other be
 

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climbing up helping each other be
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anonymous and the merge that into one
 

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anonymous and the merge that into one
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single transaction so for example here
 

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single transaction so for example here
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if time is a drug dealer and bombing
 

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if time is a drug dealer and bombing
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LSU's who enjoying it's impossible to
 

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LSU's who enjoying it's impossible to
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know whether LS or ball being the drug
 

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know whether LS or ball being the drug
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dealer so they kind of give each other
 

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dealer so they kind of give each other
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this possible deniability the problem of
 

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this possible deniability the problem of
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that is your anonymity status very low
 

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that is your anonymity status very low
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it says maybe white people doing the
 

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it says maybe white people doing the
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despite people helping you be slightly
 

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despite people helping you be slightly
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more anonymous but that's not quite good
 

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more anonymous but that's not quite good
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enough the next thing is the decrease of
 

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enough the next thing is the decrease of
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privacy which is using Manero the ad is
 

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privacy which is using Manero the ad is
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you can use a on chin Beauty EXO and
 

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you can use a on chin Beauty EXO and
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pretend that that would've been your
 

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pretend that that would've been your
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input so basically every transaction has
 

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input so basically every transaction has
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maybe attempt to 15 sources only one of
 

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maybe attempt to 15 sources only one of
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them is video the rest of them we could
 

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them is video the rest of them we could
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like not even know that they've been
 

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like not even know that they've been
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used in the immunization so that's
 

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used in the immunization so that's
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that's quite a lot better and then
 

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that's quite a lot better and then
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there's a separate technique for fight
 

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there's a separate technique for fight
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for fighting the Imams behind those
 

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for fighting the Imams behind those
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transactions where you do bit by bit
 

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transactions where you do bit by bit
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encoding but decoy protocols have
 

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encoding but decoy protocols have
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suffered from punch of attacks before
 

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suffered from punch of attacks before
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long story short there's risks of
 

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long story short there's risks of
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repeated interactions so if the same
 

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repeated interactions so if the same
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person please the same drug dealer a few
 

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person please the same drug dealer a few
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times in a row there's going to be
 

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times in a row there's going to be
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multiple part multiple paths in the
 

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multiple part multiple paths in the
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transaction graph the from that person
 

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transaction graph the from that person
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to the drug dealer that's pretty bad
 

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to the drug dealer that's pretty bad
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point being kind of quiet process of
 

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point being kind of quiet process of
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elimination we arrive at zero knowledge
 

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elimination we arrive at zero knowledge
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Merkle tree based mixers as the only the
 

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Merkle tree based mixers as the only the
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only way to achieve maximum an amenity
 

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only way to achieve maximum an amenity
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and here the ad is the sugar pool that
 

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and here the ad is the sugar pool that
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keeps all the money that wants to
 

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keeps all the money that wants to
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participate in the analyzation
 

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participate in the analyzation
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and no one knows who they swim with in
 

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and no one knows who they swim with in
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the pool and then you deposit into the
 

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the pool and then you deposit into the
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pool we for wild-animal draw and so that
 

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pool we for wild-animal draw and so that
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is kind of the most private wave of
 

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is kind of the most private wave of
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your points pretty so what are the
 

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your points pretty so what are the
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components that we Zeki start mixer
 

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components that we Zeki start mixer
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first you need a core smart contract
 

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first you need a core smart contract
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that that takes that money and processes
 

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that that takes that money and processes
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deposits and withdrawals typically
 

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deposits and withdrawals typically
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requires I trust it set up
 

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requires I trust it set up
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not necessarily anymore that also ZJ
 

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not necessarily anymore that also ZJ
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starts then you need to generate the
 

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starts then you need to generate the
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immortal Phoebe's for deposit basically
 

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immortal Phoebe's for deposit basically
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thus you'll hear that's the first arrow
 

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thus you'll hear that's the first arrow
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of continually pool they need to exit
 

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of continually pool they need to exit
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through the pool that requires about
 

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through the pool that requires about
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sixty seconds and then you need to send
 

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sixty seconds and then you need to send
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up those transactions in turn the VG is
 

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up those transactions in turn the VG is
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every single piece of those components
 

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every single piece of those components
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chameleons paunchy by their own ETA and
 

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chameleons paunchy by their own ETA and
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one for a DFS the first part is sending
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the transactions so that has to be OB
 

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the transactions so that has to be OB
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layers sponsoring all that and there's
 

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layers sponsoring all that and there's
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first off you need to differentiate
 

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first off you need to differentiate
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between the person helping you they're
 

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between the person helping you they're
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all and the recipient address so that
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you can draw to clean addresses and have
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fifties handle for you so how do we
 

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fifties handle for you so how do we
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sponsor that one we could deposit money
 

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sponsor that one we could deposit money
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to compound to into the you swap as
 

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to compound to into the you swap as
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liquidity pool or we could take a feel
 

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liquidity pool or we could take a feel
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and so if you do a quick cultivation you
 

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and so if you do a quick cultivation you
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swap will sponsor a transaction at
 

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swap will sponsor a transaction at
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800,000 guess which is roughly near its
 

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800,000 guess which is roughly near its
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price up 2.25 we which to those who uses
 

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price up 2.25 we which to those who uses
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here you know this is very little this
 

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here you know this is very little this
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this will never go through on chain
 

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this will never go through on chain
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actually and then if you deposit die
 

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actually and then if you deposit die
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which gives you much higher interest
 

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which gives you much higher interest
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rate that's up to four we and then if
 

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rate that's up to four we and then if
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you take 1% or 5% tea the that's much
 

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you take 1% or 5% tea the that's much
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more realistic so long story short for
 

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more realistic so long story short for
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immunization and Long's
 

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immunization and Long's
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over roughly one either you need to pay
 

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over roughly one either you need to pay
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roughly 5% fee to sponsor the role and
 

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roughly 5% fee to sponsor the role and
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make the layer sustainable thank you
 

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make the layer sustainable thank you
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