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and the thing that we have with right 00:16:25.380 --> 00:16:28.189 align:start position:0% and the thing that we have with right now<00:16:25.560> is<00:16:25.920> that<00:16:26.220> it's<00:16:26.639> very<00:16:26.880> hard<00:16:27.180> to<00:16:27.839> get<00:16:27.959> those 00:16:28.189 --> 00:16:28.199 align:start position:0% now is that it's very hard to get those 00:16:28.199 --> 00:16:31.069 align:start position:0% now is that it's very hard to get those webto<00:16:28.680> people<00:16:29.040> into<00:16:29.639> web<00:16:30.000> trips<00:16:30.360> so<00:16:30.779> what<00:16:30.959> do 00:16:31.069 --> 00:16:31.079 align:start position:0% webto people into web trips so what do 00:16:31.079 --> 00:16:33.710 align:start position:0% webto people into web trips so what do you<00:16:31.260> use<00:16:31.440> you<00:16:32.220> use<00:16:32.399> the<00:16:32.760> the<00:16:33.060> tools<00:16:33.420> that<00:16:33.540> we 00:16:33.710 --> 00:16:33.720 align:start position:0% you use you use the the tools that we 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.629 align:start position:0% you use you use the the tools that we have<00:16:33.899> already<00:16:34.139> like<00:16:34.560> email<00:16:34.800> and<00:16:35.399> password 00:16:35.629 --> 00:16:35.639 align:start position:0% have already like email and password 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.810 align:start position:0% have already like email and password right<00:16:36.360> and<00:16:37.259> we're<00:16:37.380> trying<00:16:37.620> to<00:16:37.860> like<00:16:38.279> to<00:16:38.579> make 00:16:38.810 --> 00:16:38.820 align:start position:0% right and we're trying to like to make 00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:41.569 align:start position:0% right and we're trying to like to make it<00:16:39.000> really<00:16:39.240> really<00:16:39.959> secure<00:16:40.500> to<00:16:41.220> get<00:16:41.339> those 00:16:41.569 --> 00:16:41.579 align:start position:0% it really really secure to get those 00:16:41.579 --> 00:16:45.650 align:start 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00:27:25.380 align:start position:0% and so what I did was I created this um 00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:28.430 align:start position:0% and so what I did was I created this um Visual<00:27:25.919> Web<00:27:26.220> and<00:27:27.120> it<00:27:27.240> has<00:27:27.419> starting<00:27:28.080> in<00:27:28.320> the 00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:28.440 align:start position:0% Visual Web and it has starting in the 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:30.649 align:start position:0% Visual Web and it has starting in the middle<00:27:28.559> which<00:27:28.919> is<00:27:29.159> the<00:27:29.640> part<00:27:29.880> that<00:27:30.059> people 00:27:30.649 --> 00:27:30.659 align:start position:0% middle which is the part that people 00:27:30.659 --> 00:27:32.750 align:start position:0% middle which is the part that people forget<00:27:30.960> is<00:27:31.200> self-sovereign<00:27:31.799> to<00:27:31.919> me<00:27:32.039> so<00:27:32.460> people 00:27:32.750 --> 00:27:32.760 align:start position:0% forget is self-sovereign to 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uh oh like share 00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:26.570 align:start position:0% it's like on like Kumo uh oh like share whoever<00:28:25.559> wants<00:28:25.740> to<00:28:25.860> connect<00:28:25.919> after<00:28:26.100> this<00:28:26.400> and 00:28:26.570 --> 00:28:26.580 align:start position:0% whoever wants to connect after this and 00:28:26.580 --> 00:28:28.850 align:start position:0% whoever wants to connect after this and give<00:28:26.820> you<00:28:26.940> the<00:28:27.120> link<00:28:27.240> so<00:28:27.600> yeah<00:28:27.779> yeah<00:28:28.320> thank<00:28:28.740> you 00:28:28.850 --> 00:28:28.860 align:start position:0% give you the link so yeah yeah thank you 00:28:28.860 --> 00:28:30.110 align:start position:0% give you the link so yeah yeah thank you so<00:28:28.980> much<00:28:29.159> for<00:28:29.400> that 00:28:30.110 --> 00:28:30.120 align:start position:0% so much for that 00:28:30.120 --> 00:28:31.250 align:start position:0% so much for that um 00:28:31.250 --> 00:28:31.260 align:start position:0% um 00:28:31.260 --> 00:28:33.230 align:start position:0% um Rachel<00:28:31.679> did<00:28:31.980> you<00:28:32.100> have<00:28:32.220> anything<00:28:32.580> you<00:28:33.059> wanted 00:28:33.230 --> 00:28:33.240 align:start position:0% Rachel did you have anything you wanted 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:34.370 align:start position:0% Rachel did you have anything you wanted to<00:28:33.419> add<00:28:33.539> there 00:28:34.370 --> 00:28:34.380 align:start position:0% to add there 00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:35.690 align:start position:0% to add there well 00:28:35.690 --> 00:28:35.700 align:start position:0% well 00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:36.590 align:start position:0% well um 00:28:36.590 --> 00:28:36.600 align:start position:0% um 00:28:36.600 --> 00:28:38.630 align:start position:0% um yeah<00:28:37.020> I<00:28:37.260> guess<00:28:37.380> it's<00:28:37.679> just<00:28:37.860> so<00:28:38.159> interesting<00:28:38.460> to 00:28:38.630 --> 00:28:38.640 align:start position:0% yeah I guess it's just so interesting to 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.029 align:start position:0% yeah I guess it's just so interesting to think<00:28:38.760> about<00:28:38.940> like<00:28:39.240> we<00:28:39.779> all<00:28:40.200> everyone<00:28:40.740> who's 00:28:41.029 --> 00:28:41.039 align:start position:0% think about like we all everyone who's 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:42.710 align:start position:0% think about like we all everyone who's talking<00:28:41.279> right<00:28:41.580> now<00:28:41.700> is<00:28:42.000> designing<00:28:42.539> for 00:28:42.710 --> 00:28:42.720 align:start position:0% talking right now is designing for 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:44.870 align:start position:0% talking right now is designing for different<00:28:42.960> audience<00:28:43.380> members 00:28:44.870 --> 00:28:44.880 align:start position:0% different audience members 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:45.890 align:start position:0% different audience members um<00:28:44.940> but<00:28:45.120> 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align:start position:0% for me it's like that's okay that's 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:07.010 align:start position:0% for me it's like that's okay that's where<00:29:04.140> we<00:29:04.320> are<00:29:04.500> right<00:29:04.919> now<00:29:05.159> but<00:29:06.120> like<00:29:06.360> if<00:29:06.840> we 00:29:07.010 --> 00:29:07.020 align:start position:0% where we are right now but like if we 00:29:07.020 --> 00:29:10.010 align:start position:0% where we are right now but like if we don't<00:29:07.260> spend<00:29:07.919> time<00:29:08.220> like<00:29:08.700> really<00:29:09.179> educating 00:29:10.010 --> 00:29:10.020 align:start position:0% don't spend time like really educating 00:29:10.020 --> 00:29:12.769 align:start position:0% don't spend time like really educating ourselves<00:29:10.679> like<00:29:11.520> the<00:29:12.059> people<00:29:12.179> who<00:29:12.480> are<00:29:12.539> making 00:29:12.769 --> 00:29:12.779 align:start position:0% ourselves like the people who are making 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if the people involved in the experience 00:31:09.840 --> 00:31:11.750 align:start position:0% if the people involved in the experience are<00:31:10.080> not<00:31:10.260> playing<00:31:10.440> an<00:31:10.679> active<00:31:11.039> part<00:31:11.279> in 00:31:11.750 --> 00:31:11.760 align:start position:0% are not playing an active part in 00:31:11.760 --> 00:31:14.389 align:start position:0% are not playing an active part in designing<00:31:12.360> what<00:31:12.960> they<00:31:13.200> want<00:31:13.440> to<00:31:13.559> do<00:31:13.740> in<00:31:14.100> a 00:31:14.389 --> 00:31:14.399 align:start position:0% designing what they want to do in a 00:31:14.399 --> 00:31:16.850 align:start position:0% designing what they want to do in a sense<00:31:14.520> autonomy<00:31:15.059> in<00:31:16.020> healthcare<00:31:16.380> that<00:31:16.620> helps 00:31:16.850 --> 00:31:16.860 align:start position:0% sense autonomy in healthcare that helps 00:31:16.860 --> 00:31:18.590 align:start 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align:start position:0% with their own values missions fit in 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.230 align:start position:0% with their own values missions fit in the<00:31:34.080> community<00:31:34.260> community<00:31:34.559> and<00:31:35.340> we<00:31:35.880> spend<00:31:36.120> a 00:31:36.230 --> 00:31:36.240 align:start position:0% the community community and we spend a 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.850 align:start position:0% the community community and we spend a lot<00:31:36.360> of<00:31:36.480> time<00:31:36.659> like<00:31:36.899> figuring<00:31:37.260> out<00:31:37.380> how<00:31:37.620> that 00:31:37.850 --> 00:31:37.860 align:start position:0% lot of time like figuring out how that 00:31:37.860 --> 00:31:40.970 align:start position:0% lot of time like figuring out how that looks<00:31:38.159> like<00:31:38.279> for<00:31:38.640> a<00:31:38.820> healthcare<00:31:39.120> doll<00:31:39.559> and<00:31:40.559> I'm 00:31:40.970 --> 00:31:40.980 align:start position:0% looks like for a healthcare doll and I'm 00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:42.649 align:start position:0% looks like for a healthcare doll and I'm curious<00:31:41.279> to<00:31:41.399> hear<00:31:41.520> what<00:31:41.700> your<00:31:41.880> guys<00:31:42.120> thoughts 00:31:42.649 --> 00:31:42.659 align:start position:0% curious to hear what your guys thoughts 00:31:42.659 --> 00:31:44.230 align:start position:0% curious to hear what your guys thoughts are<00:31:42.779> on<00:31:42.960> that<00:31:43.320> kind<00:31:43.440> of 00:31:44.230 --> 00:31:44.240 align:start position:0% are on that kind of 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:51.889 align:start position:0% are on that kind of intentionality<00:31:45.240> in<00:31:45.720> community<00:31:46.080> onboarding 00:31:51.889 --> 00:31:51.899 align:start position:0% 00:31:51.899 --> 00:31:53.049 align:start position:0% um 00:31:53.049 --> 00:31:53.059 align:start position:0% um 00:31:53.059 --> 00:31:55.630 align:start position:0% um I'll<00:31:54.059> I'll<00:31:54.120> 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anything to do with Community which is 00:32:01.860 --> 00:32:03.710 align:start position:0% anything to do with Community which is you<00:32:02.460> know<00:32:02.520> what<00:32:02.640> what<00:32:02.700> is<00:32:03.059> the<00:32:03.179> what<00:32:03.480> is<00:32:03.600> the 00:32:03.710 --> 00:32:03.720 align:start position:0% you know what what is the what is the 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:05.389 align:start position:0% you know what what is the what is the boundary<00:32:04.020> of<00:32:04.260> of<00:32:04.500> community<00:32:04.740> like<00:32:05.039> what<00:32:05.220> is 00:32:05.389 --> 00:32:05.399 align:start position:0% boundary of of community like what is 00:32:05.399 --> 00:32:07.250 align:start position:0% boundary of of community like what is the<00:32:05.520> community<00:32:05.700> what<00:32:06.120> is<00:32:06.240> the<00:32:06.600> goal<00:32:07.080> of<00:32:07.140> the 00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:07.260 align:start position:0% the community what is the goal of the 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relevant work so it's a little 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:18.769 align:start position:0% doing the relevant work so it's a little bit<00:33:17.399> of<00:33:17.519> a<00:33:17.640> tangent<00:33:17.880> like<00:33:18.120> it's<00:33:18.240> not<00:33:18.480> directly 00:33:18.769 --> 00:33:18.779 align:start position:0% bit of a tangent like it's not directly 00:33:18.779 --> 00:33:20.269 align:start position:0% bit of a tangent like it's not directly answering<00:33:19.080> the<00:33:19.200> question<00:33:19.320> but<00:33:19.559> like<00:33:19.740> I<00:33:20.220> think 00:33:20.269 --> 00:33:20.279 align:start position:0% answering the question but like I think 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.009 align:start position:0% answering the question but like I think that's<00:33:20.460> a<00:33:20.640> really<00:33:20.700> important<00:33:21.179> like<00:33:21.659> just 00:33:22.009 --> 00:33:22.019 align:start position:0% that's a really important like just 00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:25.970 align:start position:0% that's a really important like just Discovery<00:33:22.620> process<00:33:22.860> for<00:33:23.220> any<00:33:23.399> new<00:33:23.580> community 00:33:25.970 --> 00:33:25.980 align:start position:0% 00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:29.029 align:start position:0% yeah<00:33:26.640> yeah<00:33:27.360> I<00:33:27.779> I<00:33:28.080> this<00:33:28.559> is<00:33:28.679> a<00:33:28.799> conversation 00:33:29.029 --> 00:33:29.039 align:start position:0% yeah yeah I I this is a conversation 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.830 align:start position:0% yeah yeah I I this is a conversation right<00:33:29.340> so<00:33:29.580> I<00:33:30.000> don't<00:33:30.179> think<00:33:30.299> you<00:33:30.419> missed<00:33:30.720> any 00:33:30.830 --> 00:33:30.840 align:start position:0% right so I don't think you missed any 00:33:30.840 --> 00:33:32.269 align:start position:0% right so I don't think you missed any questions 00:33:32.269 --> 00:33:32.279 align:start position:0% questions 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like transitioning into um letter<00:33:56.880> based 00:33:58.310 --> 00:33:58.320 align:start position:0% um letter based 00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:00.889 align:start position:0% um letter based um applications<00:33:59.159> not<00:33:59.519> sure<00:33:59.700> what<00:33:59.880> else<00:34:00.059> to<00:34:00.179> uh 00:34:00.889 --> 00:34:00.899 align:start position:0% um applications not sure what else to uh 00:34:00.899 --> 00:34:03.950 align:start position:0% um applications not sure what else to uh call<00:34:01.080> it<00:34:01.260> whatever<00:34:01.880> it's<00:34:02.880> fine 00:34:03.950 --> 00:34:03.960 align:start position:0% call it whatever it's fine 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:04.669 align:start position:0% call it whatever it's fine um 00:34:04.669 --> 00:34:04.679 align:start position:0% um 00:34:04.679 --> 00:34:07.669 align:start position:0% um yeah<00:34:05.580> Healthcare<00:34:05.940> seems<00:34:06.360> like<00:34:06.539> a<00:34:07.019> an 00:34:07.669 --> 00:34:07.679 align:start position:0% yeah Healthcare seems like a an 00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:10.550 align:start position:0% yeah Healthcare seems like a an interesting<00:34:08.159> case<00:34:09.060> because<00:34:09.599> that's<00:34:10.320> where 00:34:10.550 --> 00:34:10.560 align:start position:0% interesting case because that's where 00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:14.030 align:start position:0% interesting case because that's where ownership<00:34:11.240> ties<00:34:12.240> to<00:34:12.540> like<00:34:13.139> this<00:34:13.260> very<00:34:14.040> um 00:34:14.030 --> 00:34:14.040 align:start position:0% ownership ties to like this very um 00:34:14.040 --> 00:34:16.490 align:start position:0% ownership ties to like this very um intrinsic<00:34:14.760> unique<00:34:15.240> ownership<00:34:15.599> over<00:34:16.080> your<00:34:16.379> own 00:34:16.490 --> 00:34:16.500 align:start position:0% intrinsic unique ownership over your own 00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:18.889 align:start position:0% 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be a more interactive process and just 00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:34.190 align:start position:0% be a more interactive process and just sort<00:40:33.119> of<00:40:33.240> open 00:40:34.190 --> 00:40:34.200 align:start position:0% sort of open 00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:36.230 align:start position:0% sort of open the<00:40:34.800> borders<00:40:35.160> of<00:40:35.400> it<00:40:35.520> so<00:40:35.760> that<00:40:35.880> more<00:40:36.060> people 00:40:36.230 --> 00:40:36.240 align:start position:0% the borders of it so that more people 00:40:36.240 --> 00:40:38.810 align:start position:0% the borders of it so that more people are<00:40:36.480> able<00:40:36.720> to<00:40:36.839> participate 00:40:38.810 --> 00:40:38.820 align:start position:0% are able to participate 00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:41.030 align:start position:0% are able to participate um<00:40:38.880> and<00:40:39.240> more<00:40:39.420> people<00:40:39.599> are<00:40:39.780> able<00:40:40.020> to<00:40:40.140> kind<00:40:40.380> of 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align:start position:0% I didn't know when the session was ending<00:46:34.560> so<00:46:34.680> I<00:46:34.800> was<00:46:34.859> going<00:46:34.980> to<00:46:34.980> chill<00:46:35.160> at<00:46:35.400> the 00:46:35.510 --> 00:46:35.520 align:start position:0% ending so I was going to chill at the 00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:38.030 align:start position:0% ending so I was going to chill at the end<00:46:35.640> but<00:46:36.060> I<00:46:36.780> just<00:46:36.900> wanted<00:46:37.020> I<00:46:37.619> just<00:46:37.740> wanted<00:46:37.859> to 00:46:38.030 --> 00:46:38.040 align:start position:0% end but I just wanted I just wanted to 00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:39.470 align:start position:0% end but I just wanted I just wanted to thank<00:46:38.160> you<00:46:38.339> guys<00:46:38.460> for<00:46:38.640> the<00:46:38.760> conversation<00:46:39.119> but 00:46:39.470 --> 00:46:39.480 align:start position:0% thank you guys for the conversation but 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.510 align:start position:0% thank you guys for the conversation but I<00:46:40.020> think<00:46:40.079> and<00:46:40.260> in<00:46:40.500> that<00:46:40.619> regard<00:46:40.980> as<00:46:41.220> far<00:46:41.400> as 00:46:41.510 --> 00:46:41.520 align:start position:0% I think and in that regard as far as 00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:42.589 align:start position:0% I think and in that regard as far as like 00:46:42.589 --> 00:46:42.599 align:start position:0% like 00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.349 align:start position:0% like how<00:46:43.260> do<00:46:43.440> we<00:46:43.619> create<00:46:44.220> ecosystems<00:46:45.000> where<00:46:45.180> people 00:46:45.349 --> 00:46:45.359 align:start position:0% how do we create ecosystems where people 00:46:45.359 --> 00:46:48.710 align:start position:0% how do we create ecosystems where people are<00:46:45.660> more<00:46:46.339> able<00:46:47.339> to<00:46:47.460> make<00:46:47.700> mistakes<00:46:48.300> Etc<00:46:48.420> I 00:46:48.710 --> 00:46:48.720 align:start 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functionalities of how you actually get 00:47:09.359 --> 00:47:10.970 align:start position:0% functionalities of how you actually get into<00:47:09.480> this<00:47:09.660> ecosystem<00:47:10.079> I<00:47:10.560> think<00:47:10.680> there's<00:47:10.859> a 00:47:10.970 --> 00:47:10.980 align:start position:0% into this ecosystem I think there's a 00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:12.770 align:start position:0% into this ecosystem I think there's a lot<00:47:11.040> of<00:47:11.160> Education<00:47:11.579> communication<00:47:12.540> around 00:47:12.770 --> 00:47:12.780 align:start position:0% lot of Education communication around 00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:14.510 align:start position:0% lot of Education communication around language<00:47:13.200> all<00:47:13.859> those<00:47:13.980> things<00:47:14.160> that<00:47:14.280> you<00:47:14.400> guys 00:47:14.510 --> 00:47:14.520 align:start position:0% language all those things that you guys 00:47:14.520 --> 00:47:16.190 align:start position:0% language 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need more use 00:47:40.619 --> 00:47:43.069 align:start position:0% a little bit more but we need more use cases<00:47:40.859> we<00:47:41.160> need<00:47:41.280> more<00:47:41.700> creative<00:47:42.240> thinking<00:47:42.660> on 00:47:43.069 --> 00:47:43.079 align:start position:0% cases we need more creative thinking on 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:44.809 align:start position:0% cases we need more creative thinking on some<00:47:43.319> of<00:47:43.500> this<00:47:43.619> functionality<00:47:44.220> for<00:47:44.400> people<00:47:44.579> to 00:47:44.809 --> 00:47:44.819 align:start position:0% some of this functionality for people to 00:47:44.819 --> 00:47:47.750 align:start position:0% some of this functionality for people to actually<00:47:45.180> using<00:47:45.839> it 00:47:47.750 --> 00:47:47.760 align:start position:0% actually using it 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.829 align:start position:0% actually using it that<00:47:48.480> we<00:47:49.079> do<00:47:49.560> we<00:47:49.560> 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wanted to end on another exact 00:48:05.640 --> 00:48:08.390 align:start position:0% wanted to end on another exact Mandeville<00:48:06.240> quote<00:48:06.780> if<00:48:07.440> I<00:48:07.680> could<00:48:07.800> just<00:48:08.040> there 00:48:08.390 --> 00:48:08.400 align:start position:0% Mandeville quote if I could just there 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:09.589 align:start position:0% Mandeville quote if I could just there we<00:48:08.579> go 00:48:09.589 --> 00:48:09.599 align:start position:0% we go 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:10.430 align:start position:0% we go um 00:48:10.430 --> 00:48:10.440 align:start position:0% um 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.250 align:start position:0% um so<00:48:11.040> and<00:48:11.460> I<00:48:11.640> think<00:48:11.760> Achilles<00:48:12.420> actually<00:48:12.900> wrapped 00:48:13.250 --> 00:48:13.260 align:start position:0% so and I think Achilles actually wrapped 00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:15.530 align:start position:0% so and I think Achilles actually wrapped 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