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position:0% I know this question will come right so 00:39:28.740 --> 00:39:35.280 align:start position:0% I know this question will come right so yes<00:39:31.250> right<00:39:32.250> so<00:39:32.550> -<00:39:33.300> well<00:39:33.630> to<00:39:33.780> get<00:39:33.930> it<00:39:34.050> over<00:39:34.320> with 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:35.290 align:start position:0% yes right so - well to get it over with 00:39:35.290 --> 00:39:37.220 align:start position:0% yes right so - well to get it over with [Laughter] 00:39:37.220 --> 00:39:37.230 align:start position:0% [Laughter] 00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:39.590 align:start position:0% [Laughter] so<00:39:37.619> five<00:39:37.890> people<00:39:38.190> would<00:39:38.340> like<00:39:38.520> to<00:39:38.550> know<00:39:39.090> how<00:39:39.540> do 00:39:39.590 --> 00:39:39.600 align:start position:0% so five people would like to know how do 00:39:39.600 --> 00:39:41.359 align:start position:0% so five people would like to know how do I<00:39:39.690> 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applies to the content that was said but there<00:42:53.820> are<00:42:54.030> arrangements<00:42:54.450> where<00:42:55.080> people 00:42:55.550 --> 00:42:55.560 align:start position:0% there are arrangements where people 00:42:55.560 --> 00:42:57.500 align:start position:0% there are arrangements where people really<00:42:56.040> would<00:42:56.280> like<00:42:56.490> to<00:42:56.700> choose<00:42:56.910> a<00:42:56.970> pseudonym 00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:57.510 align:start position:0% really would like to choose a pseudonym 00:42:57.510 --> 00:43:00.350 align:start position:0% really would like to choose a pseudonym and<00:42:57.740> generally<00:42:58.740> in<00:42:59.010> my<00:42:59.400> conversations<00:43:00.120> as 00:43:00.350 --> 00:43:00.360 align:start position:0% and generally in my conversations as 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.170 align:start position:0% and generally in my conversations as well<00:43:00.630> as<00:43:00.690> in<00:43:01.170> the<00:43:01.410> 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real 00:43:11.570 --> 00:43:11.580 align:start position:0% do have to make sure you're a real 00:43:11.580 --> 00:43:13.910 align:start position:0% do have to make sure you're a real person<00:43:11.840> when<00:43:12.840> you're<00:43:12.960> making<00:43:13.170> a<00:43:13.350> petition<00:43:13.740> for 00:43:13.910 --> 00:43:13.920 align:start position:0% person when you're making a petition for 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.280 align:start position:0% person when you're making a petition for example<00:43:14.310> it's<00:43:14.550> verify<00:43:15.000> using<00:43:15.150> SMS<00:43:15.690> and<00:43:15.960> so<00:43:16.140> on 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:16.290 align:start position:0% example it's verify using SMS and so on 00:43:16.290 --> 00:43:19.310 align:start position:0% example it's verify using SMS and so on but<00:43:17.010> on<00:43:17.280> the<00:43:17.430> other<00:43:17.550> hand<00:43:17.880> when<00:43:18.450> presenting<00:43:19.080> to 00:43:19.310 --> 00:43:19.320 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position:0% spreche it you can probably go that this 00:51:11.789 --> 00:51:14.000 align:start position:0% spreche it you can probably go that this spreadsheet<00:51:12.059> in<00:51:12.390> an<00:51:12.539> hour<00:51:12.690> or<00:51:13.230> maybe<00:51:13.740> one 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:14.010 align:start position:0% spreadsheet in an hour or maybe one 00:51:14.010 --> 00:51:16.099 align:start position:0% spreadsheet in an hour or maybe one minutes<00:51:14.309> actually<00:51:14.460> is<00:51:15.329> structurally<00:51:16.079> very 00:51:16.099 --> 00:51:16.109 align:start position:0% minutes actually is structurally very 00:51:16.109 --> 00:51:18.529 align:start position:0% minutes actually is structurally very simple<00:51:16.589> and<00:51:16.740> then<00:51:17.160> the<00:51:17.670> good<00:51:18.180> thing<00:51:18.329> is<00:51:18.510> that 00:51:18.529 --> 00:51:18.539 align:start position:0% simple and then the good thing is that 00:51:18.539 --> 00:51:22.039 align:start position:0% simple and then the good thing is that it<00:51:19.109> also<00:51:19.440> let<00:51:20.250> us<00:51:20.400> only<00:51:20.609> express<00:51:21.270> opinions<00:51:21.839> and 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:22.049 align:start position:0% it also let us only express opinions and 00:51:22.049 --> 00:51:23.539 align:start position:0% it also let us only express opinions and things<00:51:22.260> that<00:51:22.319> we<00:51:22.559> feel<00:51:22.799> strongly<00:51:23.099> or<00:51:23.339> know 00:51:23.539 --> 00:51:23.549 align:start position:0% things that we feel strongly or know 00:51:23.549 --> 00:51:25.910 align:start position:0% things that we feel strongly or know something<00:51:23.849> about<00:51:24.089> so<00:51:24.839> if<00:51:25.049> for<00:51:25.349> this<00:51:25.530> quarter 00:51:25.910 --> 00:51:25.920 align:start position:0% something about so if for this quarter 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:27.799 align:start position:0% something about so if for this quarter 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around things that we feel actually much 00:52:51.750 --> 00:52:53.870 align:start position:0% around things that we feel actually much more<00:52:51.960> strongly<00:52:52.289> about<00:52:52.440> and<00:52:52.799> so<00:52:53.220> this<00:52:53.460> is<00:52:53.640> a 00:52:53.870 --> 00:52:53.880 align:start position:0% more strongly about and so this is a 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.990 align:start position:0% more strongly about and so this is a really<00:52:54.390> low<00:52:55.109> threshold<00:52:55.680> social<00:52:56.490> technology 00:52:56.990 --> 00:52:57.000 align:start position:0% really low threshold social technology 00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.910 align:start position:0% really low threshold social technology you<00:52:57.119> can<00:52:57.299> start<00:52:57.569> adopting<00:52:57.839> it<00:52:58.170> for<00:52:58.410> your<00:52:58.559> next 00:52:58.910 --> 00:52:58.920 align:start position:0% you can start adopting it for your next 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.190 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position:0% same votes for the top 20 then maybe we just<00:53:34.950> make<00:53:35.130> the<00:53:35.250> top<00:53:35.430> 20<00:53:35.790> the<00:53:35.820> top<00:53:36.150> 10<00:53:36.300> who<00:53:36.390> won 00:53:36.560 --> 00:53:36.570 align:start position:0% just make the top 20 the top 10 who won 00:53:36.570 --> 00:53:38.900 align:start position:0% just make the top 20 the top 10 who won but<00:53:37.020> with<00:53:37.349> a<00:53:37.380> very<00:53:37.770> large<00:53:38.010> participating<00:53:38.760> user 00:53:38.900 --> 00:53:38.910 align:start position:0% but with a very large participating user 00:53:38.910 --> 00:53:40.220 align:start position:0% but with a very large participating user base<00:53:39.210> it's<00:53:39.510> actually<00:53:39.839> very<00:53:39.990> difficult 00:53:40.220 --> 00:53:40.230 align:start position:0% base it's actually very difficult 00:53:40.230 --> 00:53:42.290 align:start position:0% base it's actually very difficult 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per person so so far we've not run into 00:53:58.170 --> 00:53:59.930 align:start position:0% per person so so far we've not run into a<00:53:58.320> place<00:53:58.740> where<00:53:59.010> we<00:53:59.160> really<00:53:59.490> need<00:53:59.670> to<00:53:59.820> do 00:53:59.930 --> 00:53:59.940 align:start position:0% a place where we really need to do 00:53:59.940 --> 00:54:01.760 align:start position:0% a place where we really need to do tiebreaking<00:54:00.420> so<00:54:00.780> but<00:54:01.140> we're<00:54:01.290> probably<00:54:01.410> just 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:01.770 align:start position:0% tiebreaking so but we're probably just 00:54:01.770 --> 00:54:04.940 align:start position:0% tiebreaking so but we're probably just include<00:54:02.070> both<00:54:02.220> of<00:54:02.250> them<00:54:03.109> so<00:54:04.109> five<00:54:04.770> people 00:54:04.940 --> 00:54:04.950 align:start position:0% include both of them so five people 00:54:04.950 --> 00:54:06.770 align:start position:0% include both of them so five people would<00:54:05.220> like<00:54:05.369> to<00:54:05.400> know<00:54:05.670> can<00:54:05.880> I<00:54:06.150> explain<00:54:06.510> how 00:54:06.770 --> 00:54:06.780 align:start position:0% would like to know can I explain how 00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:08.480 align:start position:0% would like to know can I explain how does<00:54:06.960> Taiwan<00:54:07.230> citizens<00:54:07.619> identify<00:54:08.099> themselves 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:08.490 align:start position:0% does Taiwan citizens identify themselves 00:54:08.490 --> 00:54:10.790 align:start position:0% does Taiwan citizens identify themselves on<00:54:08.700> these<00:54:08.849> eServices<00:54:09.599> is<00:54:10.020> a<00:54:10.080> country<00:54:10.650> wide 00:54:10.790 --> 00:54:10.800 align:start position:0% on these eServices is a country wide 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.280 align:start position:0% on these eServices is a country wide into<00:54:11.460> a<00:54:11.490> 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position:0% include a say option for you to enable 00:54:37.589 --> 00:54:40.339 align:start position:0% include a say option for you to enable the<00:54:37.710> PKR<00:54:38.070> card<00:54:38.430> as<00:54:38.640> part<00:54:39.060> of<00:54:39.180> that<00:54:39.240> ID<00:54:39.720> card<00:54:40.020> but 00:54:40.339 --> 00:54:40.349 align:start position:0% the PKR card as part of that ID card but 00:54:40.349 --> 00:54:42.290 align:start position:0% the PKR card as part of that ID card but you<00:54:40.410> don't<00:54:40.589> have<00:54:40.740> to<00:54:40.890> again<00:54:41.220> it's<00:54:41.460> up<00:54:41.640> end<00:54:41.849> but 00:54:42.290 --> 00:54:42.300 align:start position:0% you don't have to again it's up end but 00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:45.050 align:start position:0% you don't have to again it's up end but we<00:54:42.450> look<00:54:42.839> forward<00:54:43.050> to<00:54:43.230> raise<00:54:44.099> from<00:54:44.490> maybe<00:54:44.760> one 00:54:45.050 --> 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again it's it's not mandatory 00:54:50.609 --> 00:54:53.329 align:start position:0% a card but again it's it's not mandatory I<00:54:51.000> think<00:54:51.630> Japan<00:54:51.839> is<00:54:52.410> has<00:54:52.710> a<00:54:52.830> kind<00:54:53.070> of<00:54:53.130> my<00:54:53.280> number 00:54:53.329 --> 00:54:53.339 align:start position:0% I think Japan is has a kind of my number 00:54:53.339 --> 00:54:55.849 align:start position:0% I think Japan is has a kind of my number or<00:54:53.820> something<00:54:54.180> like<00:54:54.300> that<00:54:54.480> that's<00:54:55.080> also<00:54:55.380> maybe 00:54:55.849 --> 00:54:55.859 align:start position:0% or something like that that's also maybe 00:54:55.859 --> 00:54:57.410 align:start position:0% or something like that that's also maybe waiting<00:54:56.130> for<00:54:56.400> people<00:54:56.550> one<00:54:56.820> in<00:54:56.910> five<00:54:57.060> people 00:54:57.410 --> 00:54:57.420 align:start position:0% waiting for people one in 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that's actually very relevant to<01:32:47.160> your<01:32:47.400> idea<01:32:48.120> there's<01:32:48.540> this<01:32:48.810> idea<01:32:49.290> of 01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:49.530 align:start position:0% to your idea there's this idea of 01:32:49.530 --> 01:32:52.040 align:start position:0% to your idea there's this idea of privacy<01:32:50.220> right<01:32:50.460> about<01:32:50.730> the<01:32:51.330> information<01:32:51.720> that 01:32:52.040 --> 01:32:52.050 align:start position:0% privacy right about the information that 01:32:52.050 --> 01:32:55.640 align:start position:0% privacy right about the information that I<01:32:52.440> know<01:32:52.500> or<01:32:52.980> only<01:32:53.220> I<01:32:53.370> am<01:32:53.670> my<01:32:53.880> parents<01:32:54.780> know<01:32:54.900> but 01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:55.650 align:start position:0% I know or only I am my parents know but 01:32:55.650 --> 01:32:57.740 align:start position:0% I know or only I am my parents know but 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different technologies 01:33:36.090 --> 01:33:38.209 align:start position:0% look at all the different technologies including<01:33:37.019> zero-knowledge<01:33:37.499> technologies 01:33:38.209 --> 01:33:38.219 align:start position:0% including zero-knowledge technologies 01:33:38.219 --> 01:33:41.390 align:start position:0% including zero-knowledge technologies but<01:33:38.400> also<01:33:38.460> differential<01:33:39.179> privacy<01:33:39.329> and<01:33:40.400> split 01:33:41.390 --> 01:33:41.400 align:start position:0% but also differential privacy and split 01:33:41.400 --> 01:33:43.910 align:start position:0% but also differential privacy and split learning<01:33:41.820> and<01:33:42.090> also<01:33:42.539> open<01:33:42.900> algorithm<01:33:43.349> all 01:33:43.910 --> 01:33:43.920 align:start position:0% learning and also open algorithm all 01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:47.060 align:start position:0% learning and also open algorithm all sort<01:33:44.249> of<01:33:44.309> 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interest is the time that I switch a 01:34:19.559 --> 01:34:21.859 align:start position:0% interest is the time that I switch a lawyer<01:34:19.769> or<01:34:20.039> I<01:34:20.070> switch<01:34:20.460> a<01:34:20.729> doctor<01:34:21.300> right<01:34:21.539> and 01:34:21.859 --> 01:34:21.869 align:start position:0% lawyer or I switch a doctor right and 01:34:21.869 --> 01:34:24.140 align:start position:0% lawyer or I switch a doctor right and but<01:34:22.349> the<01:34:22.739> problem<01:34:23.099> of<01:34:23.309> the<01:34:23.519> current<01:34:23.820> data 01:34:24.140 --> 01:34:24.150 align:start position:0% but the problem of the current data 01:34:24.150 --> 01:34:26.089 align:start position:0% but the problem of the current data operatives<01:34:24.690> is<01:34:24.929> that<01:34:25.110> it's<01:34:25.289> largely<01:34:25.530> opaque 01:34:26.089 --> 01:34:26.099 align:start position:0% operatives is that it's largely opaque 01:34:26.099 --> 01:34:28.219 align:start 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ministries volunteering to join this program<01:44:14.979> so<01:44:15.699> I'm<01:44:15.999> not<01:44:16.329> a<01:44:16.659> single<01:44:17.079> person<01:44:17.439> I'm 01:44:17.580 --> 01:44:17.590 align:start position:0% program so I'm not a single person I'm 01:44:17.590 --> 01:44:20.129 align:start position:0% program so I'm not a single person I'm somebody<01:44:18.099> that<01:44:18.340> can<01:44:18.550> channel<01:44:18.939> through<01:44:19.179> 12 01:44:20.129 --> 01:44:20.139 align:start position:0% somebody that can channel through 12 01:44:20.139 --> 01:44:21.989 align:start position:0% somebody that can channel through 12 different<01:44:20.169> ministries<01:44:20.800> and<01:44:21.130> and<01:44:21.579> get<01:44:21.820> them 01:44:21.989 --> 01:44:21.999 align:start position:0% different ministries and and get them 01:44:21.999 --> 01:44:24.930 align:start position:0% different ministries and and get them into<01:44:22.479> the<01:44:23.050> space<01:44:23.800> 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offer and why people come 01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:10.770 align:start position:0% thing that I offer and why people come to<01:45:08.949> my<01:45:09.070> office<01:45:09.100> hour<01:45:09.460> and<01:45:09.699> I<01:45:10.090> would<01:45:10.270> also<01:45:10.449> add 01:45:10.770 --> 01:45:10.780 align:start position:0% to my office hour and I would also add 01:45:10.780 --> 01:45:12.750 align:start position:0% to my office hour and I would also add that<01:45:10.810> it's<01:45:11.380> not<01:45:11.530> only<01:45:11.860> people<01:45:12.070> come<01:45:12.460> to<01:45:12.640> my 01:45:12.750 --> 01:45:12.760 align:start position:0% that it's not only people come to my 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:14.610 align:start position:0% that it's not only people come to my office<01:45:12.880> hour<01:45:13.180> because<01:45:13.540> after<01:45:14.020> I<01:45:14.080> set<01:45:14.350> up<01:45:14.380> the 01:45:14.610 --> 01:45:14.620 align:start position:0% office hour because after I set up 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align:start position:0% of Health is sitting right next to them and<01:47:18.920> so<01:47:19.400> with<01:47:19.880> their<01:47:20.030> local<01:47:20.330> people<01:47:20.600> watching 01:47:20.980 --> 01:47:20.990 align:start position:0% and so with their local people watching 01:47:20.990 --> 01:47:22.750 align:start position:0% and so with their local people watching they<01:47:21.470> actually<01:47:21.830> have<01:47:21.980> to<01:47:22.130> brainstorm<01:47:22.520> right 01:47:22.750 --> 01:47:22.760 align:start position:0% they actually have to brainstorm right 01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:24.880 align:start position:0% they actually have to brainstorm right on<01:47:22.850> the<01:47:22.970> spot<01:47:23.180> and<01:47:23.420> solve<01:47:23.960> the<01:47:24.110> problem<01:47:24.590> right 01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:24.890 align:start position:0% on the spot and solve the problem right 01:47:24.890 --> 01:47:26.890 align:start position:0% on the spot and solve the problem right 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